[JoeU]

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1) You conclude that, if the offense is great for him, he'll win games, which means he's good? What the hell kind of dipshit logic is that? Whether or not a pitcher is good is independent of his run support.


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The logic is that if he gives up 4 runs, and the Yankees score 5, the Yankees win right? If he does that 15 times this year, that would most likely amount to 15 wins, right? 15 wins from your 4th best starter is pretty good, right? I never said he would be good, I said that given his ability and the run support he should get over the season, he will probably be the best #4 starter in a rotation. You seem to think the Yankees are looking for a 20 win season or something out of him. I'm saying that in this situation, he should be successful. El Duque was fairly successful last year, was he "good"?

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2) "#4 pitcher" is arbitrary. It doesn't have anything to do with his value, it's just trying to make someone look better than he is. Starting pitchers are starting pitchers, it's the same position.

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Where you pitch in a rotation has EVERYTHING to do with value. Your statement is a dipshit statement. Lets ask Bronson Aroyyo how he would feel if he had to go against Randy Johnson tonight. His position in the rotation means he usually won't have to pitch against another teams best pitcher. Wouldn't you consider this an advantage? Starting pitiching is starting pitching, I agree. But, when you mix in the timing of when that starting pitcher has to pitch, and who he pitches against, its another story. Lets look at it another way. What if Randy Johnson (or Curt Schilling for that matter) had to pitch against every other team's 5th best starting pitcher. Do you see why now?

Joe