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I played in the 5-150 for the first time tonight.
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I did a little search and assume this is the Casino Arizona version of NL Holdem. Am I right?
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I've gotten used to what I consider to be bad etiquette (a quaint old-fashioned concept) at the limit games but what I saw at the 5-150 was really out of hand as far as I'm concerned.
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Yeah, ettiquette is quite ouf of style these days in these new NL games. We old folks who started in limit (I'm 52) probably have to get used to it (NOT!).
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There was plenty of coffeehousing and trash talk. OK. I'm not a prude or kill-joy. I can live with that.
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Me too.
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There was also a lot of talking about the hands in progress and what various players might be playing both by the players in the hand and the players who folded. I heard players mention what cards they'd folded. During the play of a few hands one would ask another (after he folded) what he had that he couldn't continue on the turn and he'd be answered. Maybe they thought the players in the hand couldn't hear but
I could and I imagine others could also.
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This is SOP in 90% of the NL games I play in (usually with 3-5 blinds up to 5/10 blinds) and it]s probably much worse in the smaller games so they are getting good training to continue this new tradition. I believe this is problem number one and intend to write about it in some detail soon, perhaps partly this morning given the inspiration of this and the Jive thread.
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The worst was a hand where, on the turn HU, the player facing a bet mused out loud that he didn't think he could call. A few players said something like 'What? You've got to call! Look at all the money in the pot and you've only got $30 left! You must have something to call with!' To me that is just plain outrageous but nobody said anything.
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I need to get out and get going today but I'll eventually post a few stories about even worse incidents in a lead thread regarding "group decisions" in NL. For now check out
this post in the Thursday night Live at the Bike thread. Note I made some follow on posts elsewhere in that thread and in the next days Live at the Bike thread.
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So: Is that the way it is or did I just happen to be sitting at a 'strange' table?
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This is the way it is in LA. I do believe the coffeehousing and directly related indiscretions are the biggest problems facing NL. Due to TV the game is growing despite the house not doing much about it but eventually the games will get tougher and they will notice the customers they lose because this is so out of control. I'll try to add more comments elsewhere in this thread and in the nearby Jive thread.
~ Rick