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Old 09-23-2006, 02:50 PM
OrianasDaad OrianasDaad is offline
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Default Re: doomed to never be much good at poker

Edit: The question wasn't whether or not to play KJo UTG, it was whether or not a player who plays from a chart is doomed to "never be much good at poker".

Solid winning play has to start somewhere.

Badger's advice seems to be focused on players who already play well post-flop. If you already play very well post-flop, then it's very likely that you don't need a chart. You are already making decisions based less on your cards, and more on the tendancies of your opponents.

However, if you are already using a chart, then his advice isn't very good. A chart is useful if you aren't confident in your post-flop play, because you are more likely to be getting into situations where your post-flop decisions are easy to make.

His condemnation that players who use a starting hand chart are doomed to mediocrity is false. The single biggest mistake a player can make is to play bad starting cards, and a chart practically eliminates this - a very valuable tool for a learning player. Naturally, once you get more confident in your post-flop skills, you'll want to deviate from the chart to take more advantage of your opponents mistakes.

Badger's advice in this regard isn't so good, and strikes me of being a bit macho, as in I don't need no stinkin' chart, cause I'm better than you. While these are my words, this is the impression I get.

Edit: Knowing "why" playing KJo (and related hands) UTG is generally bad is important, but exceedingly expensive for a new player. Use a chart, and learn "why" it's bad. It's not impossible to do both.

Bottom line, though. If you aren't willing to learn "why", then you are doomed to never be much good at poker.
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