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Old 01-27-2006, 01:34 PM
Grisgra Grisgra is offline
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Default Re: I hate calling to fold the river.....

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If you're going to call the turn, call the river. No reason to put him on an ace, and if you put him on 7 or an 8, as opposed to a draw, then you really don't have odds to call the turn with your ISD.

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WTF? Calling the turn does not mean you have to call the river. It's true that he probably doesn't have an ace but him betting into an ace on the river makes it much more likely that he has a hand.

Krishan

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If we call on the turn then we think there's a reasonable percentage chance he's on a draw, given we only have 6 outs, and some of them might lead to a chop. Thus, getting 7:1 on the river, and having no reason to think villain has an ace, I think that a call is in order; it's at worst neutral EV IMO, and we get info on his hand.

I'm not saying whether folding the turn is correct vs calling the turn, calling the river, but calling the turn, folding the river seems a bit off to me given we don't call the turn unless we think he might be bluffing.

I would agree that if we have a specific read that this player will bluff the flop and turn but give up specifically on the river (even though a scare card hit), then calling the turn, folding the river is okay. We don't have that read, and I'm not willing to just assume it.
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