[luckyme]

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I understand your position, I think. I think our difference is that you are adopting a "How could we know?" position and I am adopting an "Is it true?" position.

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Nope. I'm claiming ( among a few other things) that once we realize that we are selectively choosing what 'truths' we are getting from the bible, the bible itself is not actually contributing anything. I'm not asking "how could we know" because the 2 billion personal interpretations out there show that we can't.

I read a poem, it brings tears to my eyes. My buddy reads it and bursts out laughing. Is the message in the poem or are we creating it?

I don't buy your story about reaching the xtrian god sansbible. At least I've never heard of the missionaries stumbling into the clearing and the natives were saying hail mary's ( hey, it's an analogy).

luckyme. ok,ok, I don't know what we're debating ...but you're wrong !! ;-)