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At least, I'm not familar with the atheist philosophical position ( other than the obvious 'I don't believe in a god' one). Could you point to a shortish source where the other tenets are listed?

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OK, so you're allowed to claim that Christianity is evil because some Christians advocate war, even though it has no basis in Christian teachings.

So, when John brings up the obvious in that certain atheists in the past have been proponents of immoral wars, we aren't allowed to associate atheism with war because they have nothing to do with each other.

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JESUS CHRIST! He is claiming that Christianity is violent because the Bible teaches violence! THAT is why he is claiming it. NOT because of violent acts perpetrated by Christians. Not because of the Crusades. The Bible itself promotes violence. Thats his point.

Then, you just dismissed all of that, by saying that you knew the true interpretation, and in fact all of the violence in the Bible is really misinterpreted, or whatever your slant was. And THAT is when he brought up that millions of Christians for thousands of years seem to disagree with YOUR interpretation that the Bible is all about pacifism. Can you understand the seperation now? The Bible would promote violence whether any Christian in the history of the world had never so much as given a charlie horse. Thats his assertion. Countering that with "No, nu-uh, Bible says these things but they are just kidding" is what opens up the topic of the violent history of Christians themselves.