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Old 08-29-2006, 11:18 AM
Hoi Polloi Hoi Polloi is offline
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Default Re: This hand is a common problem - 1000 outs on turn vs donkey

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I have nine million outs on the turn against someone who can't find the fold button.

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You got 12 untainted outs (9 diamonds and 3 non-diamond gutters). OCs are tainted as are straights. Let's say you got 3 outs there (villain has AK or AQ) giving you 15 outs. Making it 2+:1 against you. So, the turn bet is not for value.

I tend to follow the maxim that says you can check hands with outs and must bet made hands without outs. Effective odds consideration, IMO.
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