Re: serious question
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OK, I'm confused. I took Freudian's point to be that maybe it would be prudent to avoid putting yourself in a situation of investing say 1/8th your stack and being forced to call off 1/2 your stack in total. Yes, of course, the call of the reraise is optimal, and ****READ THIS PART CAREFULLY**** I'm not saying that I agree that open-raising with QJ there with the intention of calling 900k more is not profitable. In fact, I think it is profitable. But, it seems like Freudian is more asking to define why maybe raising with QJ in that position with that bet size was an overall +EV action taking into account all probabilities of being reraised and stop and go'ed and etc. And why maybe opening for 500k with 87s UTG is a worse play.
I thought maybe this post could clear up the argument as it seems like both sides (Freudian, and everyone) were getting frustrated. Again, I'm not sure this is actually Freudian's question, it's possible he's just an idiot. It just seemed like no one was getting the point and kept hammering on about the call being +EV. Anyway, it would be a good exercise for most players to go through what kind of factors go into deciding when a steal will be a profitable move. This is the main thing I am thinking about all the time at big tournaments.
-alex
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No, you understood me. Since Gigabets postflop action is decided preflop (assuming Renee only will push/fold, which seems reasonable given Gigabets read on him (which by the way I did not know before posting the hand of course, nor do I know it is correct since Renee knows that Gigabet knows etc ad nauseum)) the 300k preflop is an important factor when evaluating the hand.
It is easier to evaluate the play if one thinks of it as a Gigabet push into Renee that will call with top 23% of hands (this is ignoring BB of course) because that is basically what it is.
Anyway, the whole QJ thing is not all that important. It was just a way to get Gigabet to be more precise on what he means when he says he has used risky -EV plays successfully. So the issue should be what kind of -EV plays/at what stage in the tournament/any requrirement for table texture when doing so/what kind of reads of opponents are needed to try this etc etc. While being vague and sagelike probably has some allure, some precision would probably help a bit in this discussion.
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