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Old 08-17-2006, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: France\'s social market vs. the U.S.\'s libertarian/less social mark

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Are you saying this isn't an important aspect of job security?

[/ QUOTE ] Job security, by definition, is how likely one is to be dismissed from one's current job. It doesn't have anything to do future jobs.

You are changing the definition of a term in order to make my claim look faulty.

Undoubtedly unemployment in France is a problem; but it's not an issue that has to do with job security, as its normally defined.

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The gdp of the US is currently and has historically been much higher than France. In 1999 (this isn't stats shopping its the easiest link i have availible ) the US had a gdp per capita of 31,500 to france's 22,600 link_1 . The GDP per capita in 1990: US 21,082 France, 14,600 link 2 While France increased its GDP by 55%, and the US by "only" 50% the US widened the gap in actual dollars earned by 37%. So even when france "outperformes" the US in GDP per capita growth they are still losing ground in dollars earned.

[/ QUOTE ] All the gains in the U.S. are going to the wealthy, however. short article.

In the U.S. "• The median income for men under age 44 was significantly lower in 1997 than in 1970, after adjusting for inflation, according to a long-term analysis by the Census Bureau in the late 1990s. For those over 45, incomes barely held their own during that period."

That said, since 1995, real income has been increasing in the U.S. But the gains have gone almost entirely to people 45-64, who generally have higher incomes than younger people anyway.

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The gdp of the US is currently and has historically been much higher than France.

[/ QUOTE ] I know...but since France started its social democracy it has been gaining ground on the U.S.

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A discussion can be had on what policys are affecting crime rates more but to simply claim (or imply) that its solely economic policy is pretty dishonest.

[/ QUOTE ] Agreed, but I did not imply that. This thread is about the economic policy in both countries. And I don't think any sociologists doubts that poverty is a cause of crime, and inequality clearly tends to increase crime rates as well.

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What do you mean by "other regarding crimes"?

[/ QUOTE ] An "other regarding crime" is a crime that primarily effects someone other than the "criminal", while a "self-regarding crime" is a "crime" against oneself e.g. seat belt laws or laws against marijuana.
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