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I am going all-in postflop regardless. While letting KK get scared by an A may happen, we also may let KJ catch a K and stack off while he might've folded pf had we pushed. Either option is fine IMO.

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You're willing to put either of the 2 opponents on something as horrible as KJ? If they are truly stupid enough to follow KJ this far, why would you ever think they wouldn't put it all-in pre-flop?

KJ is simply not a likely holding.

Either option is fine? Sure. I simply prefer the one that is better among the two that are fine.

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However, you fail to see that the added money from having the 3rd person go all-in pf more than makes up for our loss in equity.

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Are you actually reading my posts? How is it that I have failed to see this? I specifically address this issue directly, which is something you have never done up until now.

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We have the nuts pf, why wouldn't we want as many people as we can to go all-in?

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You want as many people to go all-in as possible when you have the nuts. 100% AGREED. And you have the nuts PRE-FLOP. So get all the damn money in pre-flop right? Yet your advice is to smooth call PF, then push on the flop. Are you contending HERO has the nuts post-flop?



All-in pre-flop accomplishes 2 things:

1) Gets in all your money with the best hand.
2) Takes advantage of our FE (however tiny a % it may be), in order to increase our chances of winning an already huge pot. If there in fact we had 0% FE, then we increased the size of the pot and maintained our equity, which is always good when our equity is this high.


Calling pre-flop accomplishes:

1) Allowing button implied odds for set
2) Pushing flop when we may no longer have the best hand
3) Giving a hand like KK a chance to get away from hand when A falls, and a chance to correctly call when K falls. Apply this to any lower PP hitting a set as well.
4) Increasing the size of pot at the expense of out winning %.


You better believe that reason #4 trumps reasons #1-3 by a ton to call instead of push PF.

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push all in preflop, pot is already almost 20 preflop, yoru concern is winning whats in there and protecting your hand, not trying to extract more. pot is too big to risk being outdrawn by the likely kk/qq/jj yoru up against. they are both likely calling your all in anyway

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100% agree with this.