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Old 07-11-2006, 12:58 PM
soah soah is offline
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Default Re: Trying to learn NL... 88 middle set , questions on every street

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However, you are allowing MP in so cheap on the flop and then on the turn that it makes this play difficult to like.

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All-in is cheap? wtf? You want to abolish table stakes in order to get more out of him or something?

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You really need to be putting pressure on MP early on, pricing him out.

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How do you plan to do that? He's a 3:1 dog against two opponents with dead money already in the pot. By the time you actually determine that he's drawing he has put more money in the pot and generated the necessary overlay to play for his stack.

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There is 53 in the pot when it gets to you. MP has 61 left. You know you are getting MP's money in now, so the last thing you want to do is play this passively and give MP great odds.

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wtf?

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Also, did you ever think about what will happen if a heart shows up on the turn? Button is going to stop betting, perhaps (he did on the river, right?), and at the same time, you are going to be committed to MP's made hand. So you need to price MP out while hoping to keep the button in. How do you do that?

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You can't, but you can get all of his money in the pot, what more do you expect?

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Say to reraise to 80 here. Button is going to call a lot

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He's also going to fold a lot.

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, so you get his money in there and you are well ahead. Now there is 190 in the pot and 56 more for button to call. Well, if button is weak, you may very well see his money go in there with KQ. If he has a set, boom, you're gold.

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If he has a set you're getting his money no matter what you do.

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If he has a terribly misplayed flush draw, you are good too. But let's say button folds - well, you just built yourself a $190 pot giving yourself excellent odds to win against isolated short stack. that's what you want.

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No, what you want is to get all of his money, not $24 of it.
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