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Second, you need to realize that attacking the flag, the pledge of allegience and other symbols ARE personal attacks against those of us who served to save your chicken sh!t ass.

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Someone saying they believe the pledge of allegiance should be abolished is a personal attack on all US soliders? Unbelievable. The audacity to have an opinion on such things! Nothing should ever change, cos dammit that's not what we fought for.

Oh, and fool chickensh1t vasectomy. Oooo that feels good. Big man.

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How old are you, little man?

Apparently not old enough to have served during Vietnam.
Apparently not old enough to have lost a brother in Vietnam.
Apparently not old enough to have 3 good friends and 200+ colleagues die in the WTC.
Apparently not old enough to understand much at all.

Youre damn right, an attack on the country is an attack on those with the respect to defend her with our lives and the lives of our families. You live in a sheltered world of "ideas". We live in the real world.

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Dude, a suggestion that the Pledge of Allegiance in schools isn't necessary or is in some way harmful may be something you forcefully disagree with, but it isn't an "attack on the country" or people that have served it. Get a grip. I'm extremely sorry for any personal losses you've suffered. But they aren't relavent to debating such an issue and bringing them up doesn't strenghten your point.

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Honest debate is difficult to find. there are those incapable and those whose position is threatened that resort to name calling and diversionary tactics. My teenagers are quick to resort to this approach. Fortunately those that do so reveal themselves as flailers in the shallow end of the pool and are less likely to be taken seriously.
though I admit that the name calling on a number of tv and radio talk shows makes my point debateable....