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and how exactly have you been harmed by the patriot act?

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So I have to be harmed to have my freedoms reduced?

All the government has to do is label you a terrorist and you have no rights. Do they have any criteria they have to meet to label you a terrorist? No. So they can do it to anybody. They can detain you forever if they feel like it without ever having to charge you with a crime where you'll most likely be tortured and sodomized daily.

Am I supposed to trust the government's discretion on this? Well I don't. I'm not supposed to, thats why we have these rights in the first place.

P.S. I just threw in the torture and sodomy part for fun.

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Every conservative has the exact same response about the patriot act. (how has it harmed you) As if the loss of rights and freedoms have to be immediate.

Its amazing how unified they are not only in their beliefs, but in their fundamental understanding of basic concepts.

If you lost your right to a fair trial... but you weren't currently being tried... they would argue you've lost nothing.

Sad, really.