[Jimbio]

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I prefer with TPTK to bet flop, bet turn, and then check behind on the river if applicable, and sometimes value bet it depending on the board. Instead of bet flop, check turn, and then maybe be faced with a decision on the river if villian bets pot or something.

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If you check behind on the turn, a pot bet wont be so big. And i'd rather face a decision on the river than a check raise on the turn.

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I want to be the one controlling the action in the hands I am playing, plus I am doing the betting, so I am the one deciding how big the pot gets. You usually find out by the turn if you are up against a set or two pair. If villian checks to you on both the flop and turn, you are good almost always.

Most of the time it's a weaker ace calling you down hoping to outkick you. If you are representing TP or better with a turn bet, it's harder for villian to bluff you off your hand with air.

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These are great replies, thank you for your point of view.

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I don't want to give a free card (ever) if I only have one pair. If you play TAG, I think it's best just to bet that flop. You're making continuation bets, you're putting constant pressure on your opponents, sometimes you got the goods, sometimes you don't. Here, you got the goods, so just bet and let them make the tough decisions. You ended up having to make the tough decision here, and we want that shoe on the other foot.


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You are right - and i learned my lesson. But I think you misunderstood my post at hand. The free card i was refering to in my reply was the rivercard, not the turn card. In the actual hand, i DID give a free turncard. But in my alternative line, i bet the flop, and check behind on turn - as you commented above.

To continue the discussion wich is turning out to be very creative (at least for me [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]) is to bring up the texture of the board.

On a more dangerous flop and turn - i wouldnt give any freecards. Lets say the flop is 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn is the 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I'd come out betting on the turn.

But the thing we need to consider is the hands that villain would limp-call, Check-call on a dry board, and then check-call when another blank falls? I dont know about you, but check-call makes bells go off in my head. Am i just being paranoid? Sure enough - there is money to be earnt where a weaker ace might be calling you down, but betting the turn just to prevent a bluff from an otherwise passive opponent seems like wasted bullets. (and would air call that turnbet?) Inducing hands that you have beat to bet makes you money on the river and saves you money on the turn those times where he is sandbagging a monster.
And if he happens to check to me on the river, i can still valuebet what i figure to be the best hand as A8 would be looking for a showdown, and 55 wouldnt check to me on the river after I checked behind on the turn - afraid i wouldnt bet. ´

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I just want to be aggressive when I have position in a hand, and the bet flop, bet turn line works best for me as it compliments the other plays I like to make when I have position.

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I love this discussion and the "plays" you mention in your reply might shed some light on the would-be turn bet.