[Jeffage]

The problem with raising live after someone limps is that they will almost NEVER fold in my experience (this is less true on the Internet but I rarely play stud online).

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to dig deeper into the discussion, i was wondering what your thoughts are when youre holding xxA against a player raising it in from middle position with an 8 showing who will often have a medium pair. do you reraise in this spot often especially if at least 1 of your hole cards are overs?


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Well, a lot depends. What kind of cards is he raising into? Is your ace the only overcard? Are eights live (if not a pocket pair of some kind is more likely)? Is his suit live (if not a pair is more likely than a three flush)? Would he raise with a high three flush or not? What kind of player is he? What does he think of your play?

If I have an ace trash kinda hand I would just fold usually. If you have three paints of something A-K-10 and your cards are pretty live, I'd probably reraise if I can get it heads up and I feel I have good control over my opponent (sometimes that doesn't matter as much, but it helps). Live three flush I'm raising again. But I mean, like I said, a lot depends on what he might raise with - if it's just an eight, would he be willing to fold eights to your reraise? Some people will and some won't. What kind of player is he?

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wouldnt reraising xxA in this spot have significant metagame benefits if youre playing against people who you will play with on a regular basis? this would force them to fold those medium pairs and give you an opportunity at more blind steals while adding alot of deception to your game.

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Metagame? Yes and no, most people in this game don't really give a [censored] or pay attention. That said, you get "metagame" value from reraising there with any hand that isn't two aces (and it is often profitable to do so with the legit holdings above depending on numerous factors), so why cost yourself money by raising a limper with complete trash (unless he is one to limp-fold with eights AND you think he has eights).

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you said that you werent fearing a reraise steal from the xxA because he was weak. does this imply that not restealing with xxA makes you a weak player? is restealing with xxA against probable medium pairs a necessary element?


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I don't think it's weak to virtually never raise there with a total trash hand like A36. Never reraising there with something like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (totally live) or A-K-10 totally live is somewhat weak. But I wouldn't raise with hands like this every time. It is very opponent and game dependent - and like I said, consider factors on third to determine what he might have.

I WILL sometimes raise with an ace trash hand on a steal but rarely if someone has already limped. I have some kind of hand, what kind of hand I'll leave to you to figure out. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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i know that alot of players on this site arent focused on metagame because they play in internet games where most people they play against they will never see again. however, as you know im prepping to play in the 75 game at foxwoods in which ill be playing against regulars very often so its vital to have a great grasp at appropriate metagame concepts but more importantly, understanding what the correct game theory is in all situations.


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Drive to NJ and play at the Taj - I'll buy you dinner after I checkraise bluff you off a hand on the river. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Jeff