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Old 05-01-2006, 09:12 AM
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Default Re: Pty 10/20 Weak fold?

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In a 5-handed game against any reasonably tricky/decent player, you usually need to be seeing a showdown w/ AK on an 8c7h2c flop.

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3-betting also gives you a lot of flexibility. It gives you a chance to take a free card on the turn and induce a river bluff, or you can take a free card and fold unimproved.

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If 3-betting the flop lets you see a free showdown, than you save half a bet against a pair, as opposed to calling down.


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How much are you saving if he caps the flop, as many do with a draw.....?

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In addition, you can't always rely on players to continue betting the river with their bluffs, thus costing you another half of a bet.

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You only lose a half of a bet if you know he will quit betting on the river with a bluff 100% of the time. But, if we knew that he kept betting on the river 100% with a made hand then we can make a good fold, right? In reality, our passive play looks like a draw and villian will be encourage to bluff us out on the river more than 50% of the time with his busted draw, thereby making the passive approach a superior line.

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If you are constantly losing initiative to a flop c/r from a BB defender on a board like this with AK, you are playing losing poker. Calling down is only the best option against a minority of players at the 10/20.


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Overplaying overcards against aggressive players is a worse approach. You have a mediocre showdownable hand on this flop and a villian who is willing to bet for you. Calling the flop checkraise also saves us a raising opportunity if you improve.


In addition, if we think villian is drawing on this board, which is a reasonable assumption then why would we ever take a line that includes giving a free card on the turn?

I know you are a fairly solid player, but I think your approach to this type of hand is way off.
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