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Good post Vanessa.

The issue is not slow-rolling or asking to see hands. The issue is the double standard that so-called established pros place on newer players. It appears to me as if Vanessa made every attempt to correct and/or apologize for any potential impropriety at the table. Rather than say, "OK newbie -- no harm, no foul," the reactions varied pretty much based on the bitterness of the people involved.

If on The Circuit James Van Alstyne did talk about Vanessa not shaking his hand, he should be popped upside his head. Who cares. I watched Layne Flack in the 2004 US Poker Championships pretty much run away from the table after being busted out. He was not happy about being busted and I don't remember that being a topic of conversation -- no harm no foul.

The double-standards that the established players place on up-and-comers is nothing more than bitterness. They love the big prize pools that come with large fields but show nothing but animosity if someone breaks into their circle. And God forbid if that someone happens to be a woman.

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Hijack:
I think all the hand-shaking on every single bust-out is a bit excessive anyway.

I have played in 4 'major' events and I think I maybe have occasionally shook the hand of the guy next to me after I was busted (if we had been conversational for a few hours or something like that).


Maybe I'll sometimes acknowledge a couple guys on the other side of the table with a wave and a 'good-luck'. But I'm not going to run around and shake every guys' hand. I'm assuming they just want to get on with the game anyway rather than wish me their fondest farewells.


These weren't final-tables though where things will be a bit more emotional.

But I've had guys come up and shake my hand after they've been busted just because they felt obligated to shake everyone's hand at the table. Didn't matter if I had no idea who they were because I had ust been moved to the table.
All seems kind of silly to me much of the time.

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And what's up with all the hugging between guys? That's just plain weird to watch. When I busto I don't want some guy coming up and giving me a hug.