[stoxtrader]

I didnt see dude's post, sorry about that. It's close anyways, and I dont think clear at all - it all depends on the assumptions. People may be overestimating the odds of a higher flush draw out there, but being against a set is also a killer. On average you MAYBE have positive implied odds here. It's very possible you have negative or zero impplied odds because of flush and set redraws.

so saying you only need 10 outs to make it right, could be pushing it. you also need to make assumptions about how much actino goes in on the turn and river with different hands and under different scenarios.

wannabestox is a good friend. I will let him choose to reveal himself if he wants.