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My point is I believe in God (for whatever reason some would say irrational although I wouldnt). I still subject my beliefs to rational scrutiny and as such - if they lead to a logical inconsistency I must amend them. That is all I meant - I have to believe God is outside space and time or my beliefs are a nonsense. This is no different from a mathematician accepting proof by contradiction.

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I'm not at all uncomfortable with things existing outside our realization of space and time, by analogy with a Flatland creature or similar construct.

For example take a sentient wood eating "worm" that is confined to a plane, and who's only senses are vision which is very limited distance wise, sees no color, and can only see straight ahead, and feel that is limited to feeling his own heartbeat.

Every 12,000 beats of his worm heart the "sun comes up" and during the next 12,000 beats of his worm heart he must find food that at first seems to be randomly located on his plane, however over time he begins to discover a pattern to the placement of the food that is related to its prior position in an imaginary grid he visualizes his plane to be marked in. His metabolic rate (and correspondingly all bodily functinons) is very fast relative to a human's.

To him, time is measured in sequential light and dark periods and heartbeats that he perceives to pass very slowly (relative to a humans perception) due to his high metabolic rate. Space is measured by his plane and the grid that he has discovered during his search for food.

The human that is turning lights off on every minute or so, and is moving a wooden chess knight in accordance with chess rules on a chess board is easily concepetualized to be in a different "space" because of the added dimension which the limited vision of the worm is unable to see.

Different time is somewhat dodgier since it still sequential, but as you speed up the worms metabolism to infinity and decrease the human time between worm heartbeats, all of the worms time exists in a very brief period of the human's time, so he sees the worms "past, present and future" so rapidly that in "worm time" the human is seeing it all at once.

(Its been 30+ years since I read Flatland..if this is a direct ripoff, my apologies!).