Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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I hate pushing. Hate it hate it hate it.
I raise to around 1600 or so. Crap, sometimes, I might call and hope he puts in another bet on the turn.
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Ugh. Again, I have to disagree vehemently with your line. I think calling is probably the worst play imagineable here, aside from outright folding.
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Eh, with so many people in the hand, calling is dangerous, I would probably raise him.
If it were just villian and myself, calling is +cEV against a good player AND a bad player.
Think about, the turn comes a rag, villian likes his TPTK more and more (or his set :-x) and leads again, THEN if we push, villian has put a tons of chips into the pot and he has to call with, more than likely, the worst hand. This extracts more value from our hand when we're ahead. When we're behind, it sucks, and I'm going broke with the overpair in this spot. Pushing the flop allows our opponent to play pretty straightforward poker. Let him put in more bets with the worst of it.
Now, THIS hand with such a large portion of the table seeing a flop, a raise is optimum, but a shove is not.
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