blind defense, ace on turn...
 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero

Villain is 34/19/1.8/36 over 13388 hands. Gimme a plan for the turn and a plan (if you see the river) for a K and a blank.

Krishan

Re: blind defense, ace on turn...
 

The guy is a LAG.

Bet the turn, but fold to a raise.

I think check/calling any river is a good plan. You avoid being pushed off your hand by a tricky river-raise-bluff. PLus, this guy is aggro enough to bluff at the pot when checked to. Plus, I'm not sure what worse hand calls a river bet from you here.


What about 3-betting this guy preflop? (Depending on meta-game considerations, this may be a good option).


Adam

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The guy is a LAG.

Bet the turn, but fold to a raise.

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Does this strike you as odd at all?

Krishan

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The guy is a LAG.

Bet the turn, but fold to a raise.

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Does this strike you as odd at all?

Krishan

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I know what you mean, and I thought about that when writng the post.

I thought about this some more and think the following line is better:

Bet the turn, if raised, call the turn raise. Then check the river. If he bets the river, fold.


What do you think?


Adam

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i probably check/call turn and blank river. let him bluff, don't have any really tough decisions... i think i'd rather see a showdown for a guaranteed 2 bbs (but risking him taking a free card occasionally) than have to worry about folding the best hand, or putting in 3 bbs to showdown, or 2 bbs and not get a showdown. occasionally you can find a fold on the river depending on what happens and the player, which is even more appealing. although there probably aren't many lags that fit this profile

i think c/r a rivered king is definitely the way to go

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i'd take that line sometimes too

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I check/call twice and checkraise the river if I improve. I cannot overstate how much I hate bet/folding this turn. LAG 101 chapter 1 page 1 says "people are scared of aces, you should pretend like you have one as often as possible"

-DeathDonkey

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I cannot overstate how much I hate bet/folding this turn.

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You and me both - I did that for awhile until I realized the money it cost me.

Jeff

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Are there hands people are check/folding on the turn?

Taking a c/c c/c line sounds good in theory and all, but isn't it pretty obvious you're going to showdown? I've only played 15K hands above 5/10, but a reasonable opponent is going to be putting me on a hand I'm not folding when I check there. I can't imagine that it won't be more obvious to a reasonable 20/40 opponent

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Blind:

Vs this player, I tend to check call the turn. My reasoning for what it is worth: It is an excellent bluff card for this player, especially if you check. Could be if you bet as well... and if you do not know if you should be folding to a raise or not, i'd definitely not bet. Check calling can allow you to suck out some when you are actually behind. I dont know how it is at 20/40, but somtimes at my limits a player will take a stab on this turn representing an ace, but when you call he gives up and checks behind on the river when he doesnt improve... I dont know if they are that easy at 20/40.

I assuming I check call and improve I go for the checkraise. If you induced a bluff with your turn check, and then donk the river... I think he folds alot here and if he raises a 3bet maybe too tuff to go for any way. I think I like going for the cr hoping he fires another barrell with nothing, or calls with his decent hands, or you dont get capped vs a monster.