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betgo 04-05-2006 07:53 AM

How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 
Please don't flame me for this. I originally posted this in the BBV forum, because villain's calls were so fishy I thought it ws a curiosity. This hand occurred early in the tournament. However, villain (jtenute28) won the tournament (134 runners). This was a freezout PLHE tournament. Does this guy have the random number generator cracked? Was he drunk. How does someone so bad win a tournament? This looks fishy in more ways than one.

$30 PLHE MTT
Paradise Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney(10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t950)
Hero (t2125)
UTG (t4230)
UTG+1 (t4320)
UTG+2 (t3370)
MP1 (t1785)
MP2 (t3105)
MP3 (t935)
CO (t1180)
Button (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, CO calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t375</font>, UTG+1 calls t350, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t350, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: (t1400) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t3920</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t325.

Turn: (t7045) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t7045) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t7045

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
UTG+1 has 3s 5c (straight, five high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t7045. </font>

Black winter day 04-05-2006 07:56 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 
Those bluff donkeys either go bust very early or get a pile of chips and bluff their way to the top.

His postflop could be interpeted either way, but preflop is just horrible.
Althought, the buy-in is 30$, so he may simply not care at first.

betgo 04-05-2006 08:00 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Those bluff donkeys either go bust very early or get a pile of chips and bluff their way to the top.

His postflop could be interpeted either way, but preflop is just horrible.
Althought, the buy-in is 30$, so he may simply not care at first.

[/ QUOTE ]

His flop raise is not a bluff. There was 4200 in the pot and I needed to call 325.

Black winter day 04-05-2006 08:03 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 
Really, didn't notice he has you covered my much.
Then the only explanation, that he just didn't care about the 30$.
Nobody is that bad.

rockin 04-05-2006 08:06 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 
It's only 1 hand. You made the assumption that he may have the RNG cracked. If that's the case, based on this one hand, then there are a bunch of idiots who have the RNG cracked. If it's more than 1 hand that led you to that possible conclusion, then post more hand examples. This guy was just a plain donkey, maybe didn't care if he went bust, time to get some sleep, drunk like you said, etc...

betgo 04-05-2006 08:07 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Really, didn't notice he has you covered my much.
Then the only explanation, that he just didn't care about the 30$.
Nobody is that bad.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't want to seem like a paranoid online poker is rigged type, but could he have the random number generation cracked?

tedtodd 04-05-2006 08:12 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 
I thought 'dise had the most legit card generater- audited by PWC and everything?

I lost the $3rebuy last night after 3.5hours when my QQ lost to Q6.....I guess QQ's are not all that.

betgo 04-05-2006 09:09 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 
I wound up in finishing 9th in a 250K tournament on Paradise where I went to the final table in 3rd after I lost allin preflop with QQ versus T8s. In that case, the guy with T8s played reasonably.

I don't mean to chronicle bad beats. I didn't think much of this initially. I just thought it was strange that this guy won the tournament after limp calling 8xBB preflop with 53o and essentially calling allin on the flop with a gutshot and no other reasonable outs.

Soulman 04-05-2006 09:30 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 
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I just thought it was strange that this guy won the tournament after limp calling 8xBB preflop with 53o and essentially calling allin on the flop with a gutshot and no other reasonable outs.

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I've seen so much of this behavior I can't say I'm shocked...in a $80+8 satelite on ladbrokes.com, a guy called two all-ins (after some initial raises and reraises) w 8Ts. First Hand, no rebuys. Incredibly, my KK held up [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

A_PLUS 04-05-2006 09:38 AM

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 
Pretty much the only way you can't win a tournament is by folding every hand. It looks to me like he probably didnt realize how many chips you had behind and tried to semi-bluff his draw. Not a good play, but fairly common. I wouldnt even rule out that this guy could be a winning long term player based on this hand alone.


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