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Ansky 03-10-2006 04:58 AM

Float turns top pair
 
In general this is a pretty typical spot where I call the flop with air. My opponent seemed fairly straight foward from what I saw, and tended to give up after the flop after CBs. My image probably is a little loose/aggro, but I haven't gotten out of line really.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($985)
SB ($1018)
BB ($2097.75)
UTG ($2289.75)
MP ($1176)
CO ($970)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $35</font>, Hero calls $35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $60</font>, Hero calls $60.

Turn: ($205) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $150</font>, CO calls $150.

River: ($505) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font> ...Too thin?

lamchau 03-10-2006 05:22 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
What is your purpose for betting the river?

Ansky 03-10-2006 05:25 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
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What is your purpose for betting the river?

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To get worse hands to call.

Jman28 03-10-2006 05:34 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
With your image, I think it's a good bet. Well played.

Superfluous Man 03-10-2006 05:43 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
I like this a lot, especially if you don't think he's tricky enough to represent a flush or 2p or something with a big c/r.

In fact, I think I miss out on a lot of value by not betting in this spot often enough. All too often I find myself checking behind here, then getting shown something like QJ, J9, T9, A-QT, 99, or even 98 and thinking to myself "I might have extracted something if I had the balls to bet the river."

Anyway, it seems likely, given the river deuce, that you'll get called and shown one of the above hands. I guess sometimes he calls and has AJ or a smallish flush. I would think AJ or one of the 3 2p hands that make sense would lead the turn, or do something other than check-calling. Overall, the river looks good to me.

Ansky 03-10-2006 05:44 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
Yo, thoughts on the flop/ turn play as well ppl

Superfluous Man 03-10-2006 05:52 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
[ QUOTE ]
Yo, thoughts on the flop/ turn play as well ppl

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I just realized this could be a weakly-played QQ here by the villain. Still, I like the bet.

Flop is a float, I don't really have much to say about it. If he's the type to give up on the turn, float away.

I like the turn bet for the same reason I like the river bet: worse hands call, better hands probably would have led. or at worst, they c/r and you can be done with the hand. Maybe there's something to be said for pot control in this spot, but a straightforward player who has you beat is going to show strength here. He didn't.

Edit: avatar changed back, huh? I guess it's more recognizable, but it doesn't have the Simpsons reference charm. For the longest time I thought it was a goldfish wearing a hat rather than some faux-cubist depiction of a face in profile.

KRANTZ 03-10-2006 06:05 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
flop/turn play is fine

river check behind UNLESS he's seen you bluff rivers before, then your bet is fine. a majority of the time you should check behind this river though. he'll see your cards, know you're floating, and possibly go on monkey tilt

Bill Ivey 03-10-2006 06:36 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
I don't see what Villain is going to call with here that you beat. Maybe AT or T9 or something like that. If you got a call and won, that is a great value bet.

BobboFitos 03-10-2006 07:31 AM

Re: Float turns top pair
 
I would value bet that spot too, but pf is bad.


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