is this missed value?
 

was stuck on whether to bet it or not, what do u guys think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($62.95)
Hero ($136.90)
SB ($106.35)
BB ($93.05)
UTG ($27)
MP ($96)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
3 folds</font>, Hero raises to $4</font>, 1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero bets $14</font>, BB calls $14.

River: ($48.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $48.50

Re: is this missed value?
 

yes missed value for sure

with that said you have to be ready to fold to a crai

Re: is this missed value?
 

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yes missed value for sure

with that said you have to be ready to fold to a crai

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that was the main reason i didnt bet

Re: is this missed value?
 

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that was the main reason i didnt bet

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That's not a good reason to not bet.

Checking here isn't terrible...but I still bet usually. Spades bricked, so it's really just whether or not villain has enough weakish Ax hands in his range to make betting profitable.

Re: is this missed value?
 

I'm betting here usually. Unless you think he's tricky and capable of a bluffy CRAI. Checking isn't awful though, I guess this is player dependent but I'd think you missed on some value most of the time.

Re: is this missed value?
 

Hmm. If you bet $30 and he CRAI you are getting decent odds to call in a sick spot. My goal is get two streets of value against unknowns with TPTK. With a passive calling station read this is an easy bet. Against a good player, I check this behind because not much worse is giving me value and nothing better folds.

Re: is this missed value?
 

do you have any read here? any stats? anything? With no read against an unknown, I think it's pretty neutral between check and bet. I'd probably bet. Any kind of read could easily swing that though.

Re: is this missed value?
 

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Hmm. If you bet $30 and he CRAI you are getting decent odds to call in a sick spot. My goal is get two streets of value against unknowns with TPTK. With a passive calling station read this is an easy bet. Against a good player, I check this behind because not much worse is giving me value and nothing better folds.

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There are two flush draws and a gutshot on board, if he had something that beat you then you would know by now. If he hit his 8 two pair he would probably lead, but you will get looked up by a Kx of spades or Ax hands all the time. The only hand I'm scared of is AQ.

Re: is this missed value?
 

The point is, is there much value in betting? It's not that we are worried we are beaten, it is whether we will be called by a worse hand. Like the only hand I can think of that we can extract some value from would be A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something like that (pair, flush draw - didnt make two pair). I think if Villian is competent I check, because most villians would felt Ax[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the flop. Actually, I think this is a check - Dont think we can get called by worse often enough.

Obv this response changes if villian is really spewy etc.

Reads needed I guess.

Re: is this missed value?
 

yeah, i think u need to bet it. it might be thin but not betting thin on the river in big pots can be detrimental to your win rate.