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mattiesmat 11-07-2007 07:36 PM

$16 - AK + FD
 
Hey you, whats your move?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) by Hand Converter CG

MP2 (t1590)
MP3 (t1890)
CO (t1350)
Button (t1405)
Hero (t1400)
BB (t1470)
UTG (t1560)
UTG+1 (t1665)
MP1 (t1170)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t210</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t180.

Flop: (t510) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t700</font>, Hero ??

DannyOcean_ 11-07-2007 07:41 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
hmmmm.

I think we are going to have zero FE here, so I just flat call. If we hit an A, K, or spade, hooray, the stacks are going in without a doubt. If not, i probably fold to continued aggression. But 400 chips is an easy draw to play when we know we get his stack 99% when we hit. guys who raise you postflop rarely fold imo.

mattiesmat 11-07-2007 07:44 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
What about pushing?
There is 510+300+700=1510 in the pot, we have 9000 left and 9+4=13 outs = 42% to win.

Kevin8423 11-07-2007 07:46 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
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hmmmm.

I think we are going to have zero FE here, so I just flat call. If we hit an A, K, or spade, hooray, the stacks are going in without a doubt. If not, i probably fold to continued aggression. But 400 chips is an easy draw to play when we know we get his stack 99% when we hit. guys who raise you postflop rarely fold imo.

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Assuming you are in fact talking about postflop, flat calling here would be terrible. That would invest 900 chips of 1400 on a one card draw, and you mention you will be folding to continued aggression (which will basically happen every time) with only 500 chips remaining in your stack.

Shoving here is perfectly fine, you likely have two overcards not to mention your nut flush draw.

sippin_criss 11-07-2007 07:49 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
instaszomgprestoshipitholla shove. you have way too much invested and your hand has good equity vs anything.

DannyOcean_ 11-07-2007 07:50 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
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hmmmm.

I think we are going to have zero FE here, so I just flat call. If we hit an A, K, or spade, hooray, the stacks are going in without a doubt. If not, i probably fold to continued aggression. But 400 chips is an easy draw to play when we know we get his stack 99% when we hit. guys who raise you postflop rarely fold imo.

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Assuming you are in fact talking about postflop, flat calling here would be terrible. That would invest 900 chips of 1400 on a one card draw, and you mention you will be folding to continued aggression (which will basically happen every time) with only 500 chips remaining in your stack.

Shoving here is perfectly fine, you likely have two overcards not to mention your nut flush draw.

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whoops didnt see stack size. yah shove with that little behind. If you were both deeper i'm flat calling so i can get away when i miss, but this shallow we aren't getting away so shoving is better. my bad.

JacJacAtk 11-07-2007 08:01 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
How about check-raising the flop in the first place?

As played, shove, ldo.

Kevin8423 11-07-2007 08:04 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
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How about check-raising the flop in the first place?

As played, shove, ldo.

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I don't like that just because you raised preflop so you do want to indicate strength here. You make the most money taking down this pot when he folds, not by racing when you both get all in.

eurythmech 11-07-2007 08:05 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
Never flat call.
Shove this because we have decent equity and a lot of out stack invested. If we're deeper, push because we have FE and decent equity.

Don't like check-raise flop, a CB will often take it down on the flop, we have shown tremendous strength already.

That said, I'm not sure I like 7bb OOP.

Crash0veride 11-07-2007 08:18 PM

Re: $16 - AK + FD
 
Flat-call here is absolutely the worst.
Super easy shove.


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