100 NL...JJ in position vs TAG...line check
 

hey all...been playing mostly tourney's so I could use a line check here. Villan had been playing very few pots and had been aggressive postflop in the ones he played. I havn't played a lot of pot but have had the goods when the money went in...Is this line okay?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
8 players

UTG: $162.30
UTG+1: $107.15
MP1: $97
MP2: $147.05
CO: $128
Hero: $127.15
SB: $56.70
BB: $89.50

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds
UTG+1 calls
2 folds
CO raises to $5
Hero calls
3 folds

Flop: ($12.5) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $9
Hero calls

Turn: ($30.5) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $19
Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $19 returned to CO

Results:
Final pot: $30.5

Re: 100 NL...JJ in position vs TAG...line check
 

3bet pf for value. ur hand is huge in this spot

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3bet pf for value. ur hand is huge in this spot

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no its not ok. 3bet is like mandatory here preflop. Your hand is so under-repped on the turn I might call him again... After your flop call its a pretty easy 2barrell by a thinking opponent because the range he will most likely put you on is weighted heavily to hearts, pairs 44-88 and weak Kings.

Its possible he had it this time and you saved money playing it this way (this time) but in the long run taking a line this weak-tight will surely cost you money

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no its not ok. 3bet is like mandatory here preflop. Your hand is so under-repped on the turn I might call him again... After your flop call its a pretty easy 2barrell by a thinking opponent because the range he will most likely put you on is weighted heavily to hearts, pairs 44-88 and weak Kings.

Its possible he had it this time and you saved money playing it this way (this time) but in the long run taking a line this weak-tight will surely cost you money

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fair enough...so we play JJ hard here...if I 3bet and am called what is my plan for a K or A high flop?

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no its not ok. 3bet is like mandatory here preflop. Your hand is so under-repped on the turn I might call him again... After your flop call its a pretty easy 2barrell by a thinking opponent because the range he will most likely put you on is weighted heavily to hearts, pairs 44-88 and weak Kings.

Its possible he had it this time and you saved money playing it this way (this time) but in the long run taking a line this weak-tight will surely cost you money

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also exit...I call the turn am I calling a 3rd barrel on a blank river?

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no its not ok. 3bet is like mandatory here preflop. Your hand is so under-repped on the turn I might call him again... After your flop call its a pretty easy 2barrell by a thinking opponent because the range he will most likely put you on is weighted heavily to hearts, pairs 44-88 and weak Kings.

Its possible he had it this time and you saved money playing it this way (this time) but in the long run taking a line this weak-tight will surely cost you money

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fair enough...so we play JJ hard here...if I 3bet and am called what is my plan for a K or A high flop?

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If he calls the 3 bet preflop it changes the whole hand. Now he has to put you on JJ-AA and AKs.
edit- ok the range is bigger than that, its probly more like 99-AA AJs-AKs AQo and maybe 910s of 10Js every once in a while
If he bets the flop when a king hits you can call and see what happens on the turn depending on how much. He's not going to be happy about betting again with less than AK

Re: 100 NL...JJ in position vs TAG...line check
 

so three bet to 15 and fold to a shove pre...play a flop with overs strong on flop and slow down later?

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no its not ok. 3bet is like mandatory here preflop. Your hand is so under-repped on the turn I might call him again... After your flop call its a pretty easy 2barrell by a thinking opponent because the range he will most likely put you on is weighted heavily to hearts, pairs 44-88 and weak Kings.

Its possible he had it this time and you saved money playing it this way (this time) but in the long run taking a line this weak-tight will surely cost you money

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fair enough...so we play JJ hard here...if I 3bet and am called what is my plan for a K or A high flop?

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If he calls the 3 bet preflop it changes the whole hand. Now he has to put you on JJ-AA and AKs. If he bets the flop when a king hits you can call and see what happens on the turn depending on how much. He's not going to be happy about betting again with less than AK

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After you 3bet pre, he wont be leading into you too often. On a flop that brings only 1 overcard to your pair I would usually Cbet around 3/4pot and see what develops from there

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no its not ok. 3bet is like mandatory here preflop. Your hand is so under-repped on the turn I might call him again... After your flop call its a pretty easy 2barrell by a thinking opponent because the range he will most likely put you on is weighted heavily to hearts, pairs 44-88 and weak Kings.

Its possible he had it this time and you saved money playing it this way (this time) but in the long run taking a line this weak-tight will surely cost you money

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also exit...I call the turn am I calling a 3rd barrel on a blank river?

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tbh I dont know. I read a good post yesterday saying its usually bad to call a turn and then fold a blank river (where you're not drawing obv). But in this case it really depends on the opponent. Normally once they fire the 3rd barrell you can be fairly sure that villain is stronger than JJ.