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Unphased 10-26-2007 09:34 PM

Getting max value
 
Villian is tight solid, mildly aggressive post flop. I like my cc pre because i want to c/rai on most flops

Full Tilt Poker Game #3977113468: $25,000 Guarantee (29722385), Table 19 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:26:13 ET - 2007/10/26
Seat 1: alan333 (4,000)
Seat 2: russboy78 (6,575)
Seat 3: Pelopidas (17,969)
Seat 4: RoniMalcae (34,369)
Seat 5: MooreMoney19 (10,934)
Seat 6: skippy tommo (15,659)
Seat 7: FTP Beast (6,345)
Seat 8: RICHMAN13 (6,237)
Seat 9: GEEZ (13,225)
alan333 antes 75
russboy78 antes 75
Pelopidas antes 75
RoniMalcae antes 75
MooreMoney19 antes 75
skippy tommo antes 75
FTP Beast antes 75
RICHMAN13 antes 75
GEEZ antes 75
Pelopidas posts the small blind of 300
RoniMalcae posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pelopidas [9d 9s]
MooreMoney19 folds
skippy tommo raises to 1,200
FTP Beast folds
RICHMAN13 folds
GEEZ has 15 seconds left to act
GEEZ folds
alan333 has 15 seconds left to act
alan333 folds
russboy78 folds
Pelopidas calls 900
RoniMalcae calls 600
*** FLOP *** [7h 7c 9c]
Pelopidas ?


what is the best line to get all the money in the pot? Bet out? C/c, c/rai?

DarrenX 10-26-2007 10:02 PM

Re: Getting max value
 
Based on your stack size, I go for the check raise on the flop. If you were closer to villain's stack, I like a b/3b.

MVPaul 10-26-2007 10:02 PM

Re: Getting max value
 
2nd nuts, c/c?

driverseati 10-26-2007 10:32 PM

Re: Getting max value
 
Lead half the pot, you want all the draws to feel priced in.

Unphased 10-26-2007 10:39 PM

Re: Getting max value
 
I bring up the check call because it is a viable line against someone who is capable of double barrelling.

With the 3 different lines, what am I representing, and how will villain react?

1) Bet out - I agree with darren on the stack size argument for this. It seems like he has to have an over pair for him to raise me and AK, AQ, KQ will fold 70% of time. So we are making nothing from him the times he folds. Not a good option IMO.

2) We c/rai. The board is very dry, this is a great board for him to fire a c-bet, and he is not folding over pairs to check raises. He also could feel pot committed/put me on a draw and call me with his overs.

3) Check call the flop. If we check, and he c-bets, he is atleast trying to represent an overpair, but overs are definitely a large part of his range here, so when we cold call, we are basically saying, I have a pair, and you are going to have to fire again to get me to fold. Which induces double barrels from hands that are folding to a check raise. Also cold calling allows the big blind to try to get spicy.

Dunkman 10-27-2007 02:13 AM

Re: Getting max value
 
Yeah I think you pretty much have to check here. With the size of the pot and the stacks involved, any bets very quickly turn into decision for all your stack, so you want to give them a chance to hang themselves. If we were a lot deeper I could see leading out here, but in this spot I think checking is the only play.

NYTyler 10-27-2007 03:12 AM

Re: Getting max value
 
Just as a suggestion...use a converter for displaying your hands. It makes it a little easier for everyone to read.

hamnegger 10-27-2007 08:22 AM

Re: Getting max value
 
you could lead 1/2 pot pray he has overpair. continue w moderate bets. you could bet/check/bet. you could c/call c/raise turn. i would not c-rai flop.


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