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slush420 10-18-2007 05:02 AM

Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
Villain is 31/7/1.8.. just wondering what line is better here on the river

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $6.85
UTG: $13.10
CO: $15.90
BTN: $4.40
Hero (SB): $9.75

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.30</font>, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.40</font>, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.40) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.90</font>, BB calls $0.90

River: ($3.20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $1.70</font>, Hero calls $1.70

Nick C 10-18-2007 05:15 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
It seems fine to me. A big chunk of Villain's range is going to be hands that didn't improve the way he hoped they would. And he's not super-passive, and he may take a stab.

Meanwhile, I doubt he's checking a Q, and if he happened to flop a flush, well, it's quite likely he'll make a smallish river bet out of fear that you'll fold.

Phildo 10-18-2007 05:30 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
How many hands do you have on villain? He's pretty passive but I would imagine he's still usually raising a flush at least on the turn if not the flop. So check/call to induce bluff from missed diamond draw looks good to me.

vixticator 10-18-2007 05:41 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
I'm not slowing down, bet $2 on river and call push. Still allows him to push with air. And, there is still value in betting.

BishopsFinger 10-18-2007 05:44 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
i think the chances of him bluff raising a $2 bet with a bare Ad are ~nil.

i check call this river

Nick C 10-18-2007 05:50 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
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i think the chances of him bluff raising a $2 bet with a bare Ad are ~nil.

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FWIW, the play seems to be gaining in popularity at the NL25 (which has its annoying side, since auto-slowplaying monster hands remains even more popular -- but at least the bluff-raises are often smallish). I don't know how things are at the NL10.

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i check call this river

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Yeah, this is what I'd do too, for reasons I explained in an earlier post.

slush420 10-18-2007 10:39 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
have ~60 hands on villain. looked back on the stats and I am the one and only steal attempt vs him

kroeliewoelie 10-18-2007 10:57 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
I think you played it fine, you extract value from bluffs of missed draws here and by betting you only get calls from better hands and some worse Q's, but definitely not from the missed flushdraw.

IJackit 10-18-2007 11:09 AM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
I like your line here.

Check/call is perfect.

Check raise is stinky.

liquidstealth 10-18-2007 01:21 PM

Re: Bet/Fold or Check/Call river?
 
I like the check call on this one too.


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