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Shattered 10-17-2007 09:50 PM

25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
Villain is 70/0/.9 over 20 hands.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $15.25
Hero (BB): $44.60
UTG: $24.75
BTN: $11.20

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.75</font>, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.75</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.75

River: ($5.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $5</font>, Hero folds

Results: $5.75 Pot ($0.25 Rake)
SB mucked and WON $5.50 (+$3 NET)

whyzze 10-17-2007 09:55 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
I would call. Because of his vpip his AF is misleading. he probably does this with 2 pair hands, worse straights and a rivered set. definately a call imo. Its only 20 bbs.

consider 3betting preflop.

creamfillin 10-17-2007 09:56 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
Call. Yea his AF is only .9 but that is aggressive for a 70vpip. A 70vpip doesn't know how to play, let alone assess his relative hand strength. You probably see alot of 2pairs/bluffs here. SNAP call.

Dr_Doctr 10-17-2007 10:00 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
Easy call

Shattered 10-17-2007 10:01 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
Bleh. Isn't a flush at least half his range? Assuming he does this with K9/79, 88, and flushes, calling is -EV.
Also, I 3-bet this sometimes (maybe 30%?). It's not my standard play, though, should it be even with virtually no fold equity preflop?

UFGatorGuy 10-17-2007 10:02 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
Easy call. Raising here is spew IMO because you're only getting called by a flush (I don't think a set is calling a shove and I don't think a lower straight is in his range).

Shattered 10-17-2007 10:04 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
Oh, and FWIW, almost all of the .9 AF were donk minbets. I guess I should have included that in the OP.

Thanks for the feedback, I'm usually a calling station but thought that calling here was spew.

slystyle012 10-17-2007 10:10 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
With 70/0/.9 stats it looks like hes limping with many hands preflop. Any two suited connectors can definitely be in his range with the 70% vpip. 2c3c etc. etc. I would fold here because his line is very suspicious with the checking and all of a sudden putting out a pot-sized value bet on the river. Looks very suspect! From my experience, if he had a set, straight or two pair you would either see a very small bet or an oversized bet in a futile attempt to protect their hand. With a pot-sized bet from a guy with those stats I fold and save the 5$ for a better time.

Dr_Doctr 10-17-2007 10:26 PM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
[ ] People bet the river to protect against draws
[ ] Making reads based on thinking they do is a clever idea

bored 10-18-2007 03:29 AM

Re: 25 NL: Totally standard (nut) straight fold?
 
I instantly call and take a note.

Edit: I also pot the turn.


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