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NYWalker 10-01-2007 11:55 AM

WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
WCOOP ME. My image is very tight. In the past, I 3-bet light and only did that with QQ/KK/AKs/AA. They were looked up twice and I won both. My showdowns says my 3-bet range is very tight. Villain is Fischer80, CL. His pf rasing range is OK. However, I saw he folded to 3-bet 4 out of 5 times when he raises, but not sure his utg raising range.

In this hand, please tell me your decision? What his pushing range?

PokerStars Game #12372298592: Tournament #70000023, $2500+$100 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (12500/25000) - 2007/10/01 - 06:05:49 (ET)
Table '70000023 330' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jcamby33 (2175500 in chips)
Seat 2: Indigoae (334253 in chips)
Seat 3: The Cooker (330107 in chips)
Seat 4: Fischer80 (3011704 in chips)
Seat 5: straate (1062473 in chips)
Seat 6: mpg1000 (1805996 in chips)
Seat 7: sandler1860 (735000 in chips)
Seat 8: jesse42782 (144254 in chips)
Seat 9: NYWalker (711820 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NYWalker [Ad Kc]
Fischer80: raises 65000 to 90000
straate: folds
mpg1000: folds
sandler1860: folds
sihuynh [observer] said, "SRAATE IS DA BESTTT"
jesse42782: folds
NYWalker: raises 180000 to 270000
jcamby33: folds
Indigoae: folds
The Cooker: folds
Fischer80: raises 1030000 to 1300000

????

grafyx 10-01-2007 12:17 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
You're getting ~2.4-1 with AK what's the question.

WarDekar 10-01-2007 12:21 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
Uh srsly why are you even considering 3-bet folding AK here?

NYWalker 10-01-2007 01:05 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
The odd is right, but it's very possible we are up against top 1% of his raising range. How likely he's doing that with JJ,TT,AQ,AJ,KQ?

gobboboy 10-01-2007 01:25 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
If he does this with QQ then not getting all the money in is terrible. He's not folding QQ here. Get the money in.

HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN YOU ARE RERAISED WHEN YOU RERAISE HIM.

PhatPots 10-01-2007 01:26 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
[ QUOTE ]
The odd is right, but it's very possible we are up against top 1% of his raising range. How likely he's doing that with JJ,TT,AQ,AJ,KQ?

[/ QUOTE ]


But he needs to have exactly AA to fold this. Even KK you now have the odds to call it. I guess you can factor in some percentage like he has AA 30% of the time, AK 10%, KK 30% and a smaller pair like TT-QQ the other 20% of the time. Obviously adjust the variables, but does he really only shove AA and KK here? If you are going to argue that and you seriously only think he shoves those two, fine fold. But now the pot is so big and juicy I have to call.

ASPoker8 10-01-2007 01:29 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
[ QUOTE ]
If he does this with QQ then not getting all the money in is terrible. He's not folding QQ here. Get the money in.

HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN YOU ARE RERAISED WHEN YOU RERAISE HIM.

[/ QUOTE ]

getballed 10-01-2007 01:31 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
you have to call

NYWalker 10-01-2007 03:16 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
[ QUOTE ]
If he does this with QQ then not getting all the money in is terrible. He's not folding QQ here. Get the money in.

HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN YOU ARE RERAISED WHEN YOU RERAISE HIM.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agree.

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Here is a hand I played with David Pham at the LAPC, 7 players at the $1500 Final Table, he utg raised 3BB, 2 callers, I pushed from the BB with AK (I was CL and he's 3rd CL), he told me he folded AK. This hand affected me in today's play.


My plan was exactly 3-bet and fold to a push because if he knows my 3-bet range is that tight and still pushes he gotta have AA/KK though I really hoped him have QQ. Given I still had 20BB left, I folded. I'm still debating this. (I'm pretty sure most 2+2pers call here and I don't disagree at all.)

g-p 10-01-2007 05:16 PM

Re: WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play?
 
he probably thinks the table is pushing him around so stick the money in


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