25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

Villain is 25/10/2.2 after 100 hands

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $48.70
BB: $32.85
UTG: $24.95
BTN: $28.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $24.95

Pot Size: $8.50

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

I fold this. It's almost always AA/KK

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

Vilain will have AA and KK often here. Sometimes he will have AK.

Against AA or KK you have 18.9% equity on your call and against AK it's 56%. I think he will show AA and KK more often though. So let's say you have about 30% equity to your call. Pot odds give you 41% do you think he will push with a lesser hand more than 11% of the times?

I would probably fold there unless he's been pushing alot like that.

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

Call. He thinks your stealing. You will see J3s a huge number of times. Very few people push with AA preflop anyway. I would really worry about a minraise, not a push.

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

ok thx guys.

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

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Call. He thinks your stealing. You will see J3s a huge number of times. Very few people push with AA preflop anyway. I would really worry about a minraise, not a push.

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mind explaining this? Personally if i were him i would hesitate to judge BOTH raisers as trying to steal - it's just too unlikely. Going all in with J3s in a multiway reraised preflop pot is absurd in my opinion - simply not enough folding equity vs two raisers. and when people 4-bet with AA it's almost always a push... so what are you saying?

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

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Call. He thinks your stealing. You will see J3s a huge number of times. Very few people push with AA preflop anyway. I would really worry about a minraise, not a push.

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That's a sick read you've got there. In my world, limp/RRAI=AA KK unless otherwise proven and a 100 hand sample is not enough to make that J3 read.

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

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Call. He thinks your stealing. You will see J3s a huge number of times. Very few people push with AA preflop anyway. I would really worry about a minraise, not a push.

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That's a sick read you've got there. In my world, limp/RRAI=AA KK unless otherwise proven and a 100 hand sample is not enough to make that J3 read.

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Agreed. I really don't think you'll see this after a raise and rr, unless the guy is super aggro or something.

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

a lot of times limp/rr is a fish with something like 99 that can't let it go but is scared to take a flop. if you had just raised, i'd be pretty optimistic. since someone raised in front of you and you 3bet, not so much.

Re: 25nl QQ what do we do here?
 

I am saying villain is a fishy. If he was not, he probably would not limp/shove in a 4 handed game. Logic does not apply. He may have AA, he may have J3s. There are way more J3s in his range hence the call.

Limp/raise is a milking-trapping move by nature. If he wants to trap or milk a little more, he will raise a little. To invite loose calls and bluffs. People are very consistent in their trends when they have a big hand. Shoving does not fit here.