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BeattysLuck 08-11-2007 11:26 AM

$16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t1305)
MP1 (t1095)
MP2 (t2985)
CO (t1395)
Button (t1770)
SB (t1465)
Hero (t1525)
UTG (t1960)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t100, 4 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t250) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 bets t200</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t250

I have seen villian on a couple of my tables before and he seems like a solid player so i dont know why he is limping here espescially with his stack size. seemed like a strong hand to me so i figured id check it and look at the flop, whereas i would usually push against an unknown. what do you think id usually see here coming from a solid player?

skreemer7 08-11-2007 11:38 AM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
ship it pre. villains limp is bad no matter what he has (even AA/KK). I think you may want to re-evaluate your read on villain

sonneti 08-11-2007 12:18 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
I don't think this is bad since you are out of position against a stack that probably won't fold to any raise &amp; I doubt AQ will be ahead of any part of his range. You wiffed the flop anyway so a check/fold is fine.

AQ isn't a great hand, you will always be on the wrong side of a coinflip or dominated unless villan is a complete muppet. The only time I would raise here is when villan has been seen limp folding.

PokahPokah 08-11-2007 01:27 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
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The only time I would raise here is when villan has been seen limp folding.

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DeuceSeven 08-11-2007 02:37 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
I can't imagine a solid player limping here. If he had a big hand QQ+ wouldn't he at least raise to 300 if he was being tricky? I guess if you haven't noticed him limp alot then I guess check pf and go with your read. Did you have any pahud stats on the guy?

I've seen some guys who I thought were solid limp with small pps, AJ, KQ before.

tehkris 08-11-2007 03:10 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
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I don't think this is bad since you are out of position against a stack that probably won't fold to any raise &amp; I doubt AQ will be ahead of any part of his range. You wiffed the flop anyway so a check/fold is fine.

AQ isn't a great hand, you will always be on the wrong side of a coinflip or dominated unless villan is a complete muppet. The only time I would raise here is when villan has been seen limp folding.

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you missed the flop totally, no big deal to fold here

levAA 08-11-2007 04:26 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
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so i dont know why he is limping here espescially with his stack size.

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most of the time because he is playing a medium pocket pair that will push any single raise.

i don't think you have much FE if you push preflop, so i think checking/folding here was good.

pucks32 08-11-2007 05:03 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
Or he has a suited connector and just wants to see a cheap flop. This is read dependent, but there are plenty of people who don't understand stack sizing and still will limp w/ 10bb when that 76s hand comes up.

If he seems like that guy, I push and take the pot pre-flop. Read dependent though, pt stats would be helpful.

ADLinden 08-11-2007 06:38 PM

Re: $16 Stars: AQ after suspicious limp from solid player
 
i think i push this most of the time


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