Is Gary Carson a Dirty Phrase?
 

I never hear any mention of his name or his book on this site. Is there a reason for this? He has interesting and insightful information on his website, and there are even references to his The Complete Book of Hold 'Em Poker in SSHE, although he is sharply critical of both Malmuth and Sklansky at times. Is this perhaps why I don't hear his name pop up?

Any thoughts?

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We let his body of work speak for itself.

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What an illuminating response, and one that ironically exceeds my expectations for this forum.

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What an illuminating response, and one that ironically exceeds my expectations for this forum.

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1st - dont be a jerk, you will get better responses when you dont lash out at people who volenteer their opinion even if you don't think its worthy.

2nd - Gary Carson doesnt matter anymore, his work has been eclipsed, there are far batter things to discuss now than his books. Yes there was a time when there was bad blood, but it doesn't matter anymore because his body of work has become marginalized by the books that have come out by both 2+2 and non-2+2 publishing companies since his works were originally released.

Its interesting to note that 2+2 gave Gary credit in the footnotes of Small Stakes Hold'em numerous times even though Mason was not a huge fan of his overall work.

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Given the context of my response, I disagree with you. But that's all right.

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Its interesting to note that 2+2 gave Gary credit in the footnotes of Small Stakes Hold'em numerous times even though Mason was not a huge fan of his overall work.

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I also find this interesting. It's one reason I posted the question. I appreciate the response and the historical perspective you have given.

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I haven't read his books but I know he wanted to expand a chapter about strategy into a new book. He points out that TOP is about tactics, not strategy. This is true. Poker strategy doesn't get written about much, it's the stuff that successful players work out for themselves and don't post on forums (or write in books, which tend to be less advanced than forums), although I suppose the SPR stuff from PNL is getting there.

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His online persona is somewhat nasty. Whether or not that is reflective of his real life character, I don't know. He certainly considers himself an iconoclast. Since 2+2 are the icons, he sees himself in opposition to all things 2+2.

Part of the reason he isn't visible here is that he insisted all of his old posts be removed after some nastiness with Mason. So being an outsider is at least partly his choice. However, he seems to be up to date on the goings-on on 2+2, so his consciousness lingers here.

If and when he contributes something notable and new, I'm sure there will be discussion here. If it's in book form, it will appear on this forum. [Calling random internet forum posters names and rehashing old arguments don't count.]

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What an illuminating response, and one that ironically exceeds my expectations for this forum.

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Hey Gary. Howya been?

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What an illuminating response, and one that ironically exceeds my expectations for this forum.

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Hey Gary. Howya been?

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1st - dont be a jerk...

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I gave his book on hold'em a quick read a couple of years ago. I actually thought it was quite good, especially since he wrote pretty extensively about adjusting your play based on table conditions. Probably very few here will agree with me but that's okay too.