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bnorthro 01-05-2006 03:10 AM

Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
I think this is one the more interesting hands I played tonight. The table is freakin awesome, full of 1 other Tagish player (villian) and the rest are like 45-60/2/0.5

Villian is a tight at 18/14/2.4 over about 150 hands. Over the last 30-40 at this table he is limping a little more than his stats indicate because the table is way loose and nearly every hand is 4+ players to the flop for 1 bet.

PF this was either raise or fold as I wanted it HU so I only had to worry about 1 person with overs.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero......</font>

What's your preferred line on this turn? A big over and the flush just came in.

C/F - seems a little weak.
C/C - may be ok as our flush outs may still be good and we're still ahead of AJ, AK, KJs, etc.
B/F - a little spewey?

gharp 01-05-2006 03:27 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
[ QUOTE ]
C/F - seems a little weak.
C/C - may be ok as our flush outs may still be good and we're still ahead of AJ, AK, KJs, etc.
B/F - a little spewey?

[/ QUOTE ]
Is B/C out of the question? I don't see myself doing anything with an F in it here...

greed 01-05-2006 03:52 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
I think C/F is out of the question. There's no way I'm laying this down to one bet.

Getting raised would really suck. You'd have to call to see if you hit your flush; I don't think B/F is an option either.

So C/C it is.

sudic 01-05-2006 10:16 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
Hey Greed!

What's worng with B/C or B/F?

Don't we want to represent a set, a made Q pair, or a higher pair?

Obliky 01-05-2006 10:27 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
This is quite a tough one..i can see myself spewing a bit here.

I would B/C the turn..then re-evaluate on the river.
I can see myself check/calling a non-scary river.

bnorthro 01-05-2006 10:52 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
Ok, I bet and got raised.

Anyone really think a 7hi 1 card flush is good here often enough to call this down?

jba 01-05-2006 11:22 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
I would bet/fold

you have overrepresented your hand a bit haven't you? I mean the PFR is at the lower end of your range. I see no reason to believe he doesn't have a Q

you're getting something like 7-1 to see the river and you're 4.5-1 to hit the flush. however I'm not sure your flush will be good 4.5/7 times, and the implied odds here are terrible.

Uben 01-05-2006 11:23 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
Well he got something. I expect a flush maybe 1/3 of the time. I also expect your diamond to be no good in that case. 2/3 of the time he got something like top pair and then hes kicker should be a better diamond about 1/4. Then youre flushdraw is good about 58%.

Its also a problem that if you hit you wont be getting another bet from a worse flush while a better one is going to make you pay.

A b/f seem reasonable.

bnorthro 01-05-2006 11:40 AM

Re: Turn play? 77 vs TAG
 
Yeah, I chose the Bet/Fold line here.

I bet, he raised, I folded.

I figured if he stuck around after the turn my hand was most likely no good. I wasn't comfortable drawing to that low of a flush, after the turn raise something like KQ, AQ, or an overpair that decided it was time to wake up was most likely .


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