I thought I had the nuts
 

Scrumptrilescent 60 game. Villain is a loose sorta passive postflop guy that I have played with a bit in the 1/2. Here are 2 hands we played earlier on the day of this hand in the other game:

Hand 1: He opens in CO, I 3bet QQ, he calls and donks the 974r flop. I call. He bet/3bet the 5 turn and I call down to see AA.

Hand 2: He opens button, I 3bet As9s in sb and it's HU. Flop 963 2 diamond he calls. Turn K diamond he calls. River blank he calls and has AK to win the pile of dollars in the middle of the table.

So the hand:
EP raises, 473 coldcallers (more like 3-4) including villain, I 3bet AA in sb, the flop comes after everyone calls:

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I bet, a couple calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I bet, he instantly raises, I instantly 3bet, he thinks for what seems like a pretty long time and 4bets which seems really weird. I do what now?

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

unless he's a moron (which it doesnt sound like he is) he has to put you on AA. which means he has that beat. call and CR if the board pairs otherwise C/C river.

missed that he "waited a really long time..." might be a set...but imo this is probably the nuts thinking about calling and waiting for a safe non board pairing river to throw more money into.

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

5bet

from his pause it looks like set over set or hes got 25

both contemplating that you have 57 which makes zero sense

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

His thinking is one of three things:


1.) I'm an idiot, is my 52s good?
2.) Is my set hood here?
3.) I have 75s and am Hollywooding.


I'd 5bet and go from there, I don't think it makes a ton of difference either way.

Is this a 4 or 5 bet cap? I know it's HU but people 5bet very seldom in 4bet cap games, I don't know if that's true in 5bet cap games.

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

5-betting seems crazy. If he's "sorta passive" how can he have anything but a straight here? Yes, there's a small chance he has a set so you can't fold, but raising any more seems like spew to me.

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

"unless he's a moron (which it doesnt sound like he is)"

did you even read the first two hands???

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

it's a 4 bet cap. commerce.

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

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"unless he's a moron (which it doesnt sound like he is)"

did you even read the first two hands???

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i dont see whats particularly god awful about either.

they are nonstandard lines, yes, but still profitable ones. the only questionable line is the AK, but consider:

1) opponent is playing passively
2) howmany is aware of this

thus no one is calling your AK turn raise there unless you're beat.

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

I thought villain played Hand 1 pretty darn well.

Re: I thought I had the nuts
 

I thought he played it ...different. Good, but different.


Anyways, I'd just call the 4bet.