Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

From a smallish buy-in($100) live tourney this weekend.

From experience,some decent,mostly crappy players here.

Hand 1. MP and SB are nits,no read on UTG+1.
Blinds 50/100,Stacks,I've got 6k,UTG+1 and SB 5k,MP little less than 3k.

UTG+1 raises to 300,I'm UTG+2,look down at KK,rr to 1000,MP calls,SB calls,OR shoves.

Not worried about MP and SB,but OR must know that I'm not going to rr light from EP,so he must have a big hand,right? However,is there anyway I can make a hero laydown here?

Hand 2,Blinds at 5/1k,we are 7 handed,I raise to 3k w KJo in CO,kid in SB tanks,looks into my soul,talks a little and pushes for 10k. Blinds fold,I have him covered,but if I lose,I will be left with only 5k.

I don't have that much of a read on him,but he seems a pretty straight forward player,and I doubt that he would push here without a real hand.

As usual,all comments are appreciated.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

I'm not sure if I could fold KK here ever but in a $100 live event I'm all-in easily.

In the second example I don't like the fact that you could be dominated but you are getting 2-1. I call and close my eyes.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

Hand 1: Ever since I read that Dan Harrington says he isn't good enough to get a read on a player having AA, I figure I'm not good enough either so I'm all-in.

Hand 2: Pot odds are 2:1. Here is the range he need to make this call barely correct:

Pokerstove:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.421% 32.82% 00.60% 65188782 1194488.50 { KdJh }
Hand 1: 66.579% 65.98% 00.60% 131049505 1194488.50 { 66+, ATs+, KQs, ATo+, KQo }

Some might call here and hope to get lucky. Personally, I fold due to the possible crippling of my stack.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

1. Don't fold KK. See Bond's WSOP thread in MTTc about a guy who get ~80 BBs in PF w/AKo.

2. You can fold but realize you are passing up chips (which depending on other stacks and payout structure might be correct). Always make a plan for your hand ahead of time though. If you are going to raise KJ from the CO, look ahead and decide what you are going to do if each person shoves, smooth calls, etc. Not planning leaves you in these sticky spots. Also, this is one reason why Sklansky advocates stealing with junk hands rather than hands that will leave you with difficult decisions if someone re-raises.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

Hand 1. Fold. KK doesn't play well 4 handed. OR played this like AA, and he pushed with a reraise and 2 cold calls after his raise...he has AA. MP called 1/3 of his chips so he's not leaving and SB gets 3.5:1 if you call, so he's staying.

Hand 2. Fold. Your read is he has a real hand, and you don't. Plus, he's made it past the blinds so he's not totally desperate yet, and he doesn't fear the BB. Save your 12k chips for a better spot. If not a fold, I like an all-in instead of the raise from the CO here. You get fold equity and if you're called you have some outs.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

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Hand 1. Fold. KK doesn't play well 4 handed. OR played this like AA, and he pushed with a reraise and 2 cold calls after his raise...he has AA. MP called 1/3 of his chips so he's not leaving and SB gets 3.5:1 if you call, so he's staying.


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Worst..advice..ever. Seriously, is this a joke? It sounds like you are saying "even if one of them doesn't have AA, you should still fold" which is really really bad advice. In a $100 tournament you will see AK, AQ, JJ, QQ, and maybe some more pairs here. Yeah, he'll have AA sometimes, c'est la vie.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

Hand 1: I can't fold KK preflop in tournaments. Harrington goes into it in HOH and I agree: I'm just not savy enought to fold KK preflop, even if I'm almost positive I'm up agaisnt AA. There are just to many times the guy will turn up AK or QQ to make it a profitable laydown. With 1/6 of your stack in the middle plus so much probable dead money (the trailing callers) it is just too sweet to let go IMO.

Hand 2: Assuming there's no antes, it's 2:1 pot odds. If you lose your M ~ 3. If you muck your M ~ 8 (or about ~12000). That's too durastic a differenct to gamble with KJ for pot odd's sake IMO. Muck.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

Hand 1: Don't fold. You're ahead of his range which does include AA but also AKs, QQ, maybe JJ. Plus I would think at least one of the cold callers has something like AQ making it less likely he has aces. I wouldn't completely discredit the possiblity that one of the cold callers (esp the 1st one) could have aces, but I still get it in with this much money in the pot already.

Hand 2: How often have you been raising preflop? And has it always been to 3x? If you haven't been raising that often I doubt it is a resteal and you are looking bad against his legitimate range. His tanking could be a little hollywood or it could be tough decision with something like 44 or A8, but this is a marginal situation at best and it sounded like you thought you were one of the better players so I would avoid it. With a hand like KJ that plays decent after the flop I dont' mind a smaller raise. Your 3k raise will either induce folds or an all in. 2k could look scary, almost as likely to take down blinds since people can't just call off that much of their stack, and you lose less when shoved on and can easily get away without pot committing yourself to a marginal situation.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

Easy call with KK in my opinion, but then I never ever managed to lay down Aces or Kings.

Re: Live tourney,can I possibly fold any of these??
 

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Hand 1. Fold. KK doesn't play well 4 handed. OR played this like AA, and he pushed with a reraise and 2 cold calls after his raise...he has AA. MP called 1/3 of his chips so he's not leaving and SB gets 3.5:1 if you call, so he's staying.

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Kill yourself.

Folding is not an option.

Hand 2: Call. SB's range is way, way wide here. You're making what he probably perceives as a steal play, so he isn't giving you credit for a hand. So he's moving in with a lot of hands here. I just pray that I'm in a race and call.