common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I'm interested to see what you guys plan is when you hold a hand like QJs/QTs in the BB vs an EP raiser and multiple callers. Assuming you call in the BB, do you:

1) lead when you flop TP, and call down if EP raises?

2) C/R EP and bet the whole way?

3) B/C if EP raises and donk all non A/K turns?

4) Check the flop and see what others do if EP bets?

Lately i've been doing a lot of option #3, but im not sure if thats the best play. Whats the most EV, do ya think in the long run?

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

c/r and donk any non A/K turns if you get raised here fold.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

It all depends on what your table looks like, but if I'm playing this "blind," I would check/call the flop. Then lead out if the turn blanks.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I think that this depend on exactly how many people are in, the likelyhood of the raiser to make a c-bet with unimproved AK/AQ, how coordinated the board is, and whether or not I have a backdoor flush draw.

Usually, I check, but usually I am playing against opponents who I know well enough to interpret their actions so that I can fold at some point in this hand if I am screwed. One line that I may follow with a smaller field is check/call the flop and turn and donk the river, especially if the board makes it hard for my opponent to raise on the river.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

Live 20 hand the other day, similar thing.

Bunch of people limp, I complete QT, BB raises

T43
BB bets, someone raises, I check 3bet.
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Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I mix it up with these hands. I don't think I play them the same all the time. Lately I have to say that I have been leading out a bit more than C/Ring in these spots. Depends on any draws-redraws I have also. Last night I tried leading out and C/Ring with a few similar hands. People at 4/8 tables freak when you C/R them a you all know. They always think you have a monster hand.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

What am I missing? The pot is large, our hand is strong yet vulnerable, the likely bettor/raiser is to our left, the field is large...um...lead and get the pfr to cut down on the field's odds.

Then play poker on the turn and river.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

Although if PFR raises again it makes our hand significantly less strong.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

EP raiser may not be aggressive enough to raise with two overcards. The flop texture also makes a difference on how you play this and how likely EP is to raise.

Example, you hold Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in one of the blinds and call EP's raise, and there are 3 coldcallers. I'm not saying these are correct, my thinking may be rusty:

1) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Dry flop. Check/call (or checkraise if pfr bets and all fold) and lead turn.

2) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Top pair on monotone board. Bet and hope pfr raises. Though his range may include overpairs, there is a good chance he has two overs + FD and you increase your chance of winning if he raises.

3) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Top pair plus flush draw - checkraise to build the pot

4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Check and see OR bet and hope pfr raises? With your bet, you can rep a flush draw and pfr may raise with ATs, JJ, AK, etc. Checking may allow you to get in a checkraise, but the most common draws on this board are right to call the c/r.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I don't get why you are check/calling ex 1. on flop explain plz. 2 and 3 seems alright, on ex 4. I like betting fairly vulnerable hands here that are most likely best.