Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

Villain is 16/9 and passive. I normally reraise preflop but there were a lot of terrible loose players behind me who I wanted to tag along and I think 3 betting just isolates me against a very strong range for UTG if he calls. Looking back I still like my flat call preflop. Anyways, we're deep and I chose to just flat call the flop, although raising would be ok. Turn brings top two but a flush draw got there. I bet out hoping to get a call from CO who was extremely bad, and I was planning on folding to a raise from UTG, however he just called. I honestly think the river is a check, but I want to see what other people think. I'll chime in my detailed thoughts on why I like a river check later on.

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $198.00
BB: $94.00
UTG: $701.32
Hero (MP): $536.00
CO: $62.48
BTN: $136.98

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $6.00</font>, Hero calls $6.00, CO calls $6.00, BTN folds, SB calls $5.00, BB folds

Flop: ($26) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $20.00</font>, Hero calls $20.00, CO calls $20.00, SB folds

Turn: ($86) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $65.00</font>, CO folds, UTG calls $65.00

River: ($216) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

With as deep as you are I don't mind a check because if he shoves over your bet you're in a predicament (it's a pretty easy fold but it's a [censored] spot when you have good SD value), and I don't think he's calling a third shell with AQ (How far down the list of aces does 9% of hands include? Maybe AJ but I doubt he raises it UTG). I play it the same.

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

This is well played on every street IMO. I think this is often showdown whoring on his part with AA/KK, that doesn't want to get blown off his hand because of the potential flush. He could also have QQ with the Qh, but that's not paying off a river bet anways. The only hand you're potentially missing value against is AQ, but he may not even pay off with that, and the times he does won't make up for the times he has a better hand than you.

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

I think theres value in a smaller bet, id prob make it $110 fold to raise.

I think this guy probably isnt good enough to c/f AT AJ AQ.

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

You said he's passive so there's just about no chance he check raises the river with a worse hand, so you only have to decide if you're ahead of his range. Since the only things beating you are sets/flushes and he's done absolutely nothing the whole hand, there's a very good chance you're ahead.

Bet $110, get value from worse aces.

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

You can be confident that this guy will never turn a hand like AxQh into a bluff here, so bet/folding can't result in you folding a winner. A 16/9 raising UTG also never has a flush here since the Ah and Kh are both showing.

Only thing I'm worried about is him check/folding everything you beat and check/calling AK and sets. I don't know. Pretty thin. I guess I'd bet like 160 here and hope he makes a hero call with AQ. Nits don't like folding once they hit.

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

this is played perfectly. you might get another $10 of value on the turn but hardly worth worrying about

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

Those who don't want the free money he's giving you on the river, what range are you putting him on? With what sort of weighting?

IN CASE ANYBODY FORGETS: PASSIVE MEANS HE LIKES TO CALL

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

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IN CASE ANYBODY FORGETS: PASSIVE MEANS HE LIKES TO CALL

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no. that is a separate characteristic. doesn't bet != likes to call

Re: Top two pair very deep vs nit - uh ohz
 

Nh.