live 6/12, AKs BB
 

One average player limps in MP1, one bad (loose) player limps in CO, another bad (loose) player raises BN, Hero 3-bets A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], MP1 folds, CO calls, BN calls.

Flop [9.7 SB]: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks, CO fumbles for chips and bets, BN calls, Hero calls.

Turn [6.3 BB]: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets...

Last money going in the pot for me. Spewy or nice?

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

If it's the last money going in, nice. I think many players live shut down when a four flush hits the board.. so you may be able to get a lower diamond to fold if you continue. But with three others in the pot one of them has to have a diamond.

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

I would just fold the flop.

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

Agreed.

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

spewy, fold the flop

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

Additional info that may or may not change your perceived spewiness of this play: PF BN raiser is all-in with the flop call.

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

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Additional info that may or may not change your perceived spewiness of this play: PF BN raiser is all-in with the flop call.

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This just makes the call even worse. Empty side pot, 3bet pot, you think he's bluffing?

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

Just to correct the Count's comment, there are two opponents, not three, one of whom is all-in after calling the flop bet from the player who limped and cold called the 3-bet.

I think the BN has two cards -- he's all-in, and he's a donkey. And I don't think the flop bettor is bluffing, but I *do* think he could have all sorts of one pair hands without a diamond, not to mention small diamonds that he might fold here. He could also have some two pair hands that this particular player can't put additional bets in with where the turn and river would go bet-call/check-check.

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

c/f.

Re: live 6/12, AKs BB
 

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If it's the last money going in, nice. I think many players live shut down when a four flush hits the board.. so you may be able to get a lower diamond to fold if you continue. But with three others in the pot one of them has to have a diamond.

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Yeah, the typical live player shuts down - meaning they won't raise with the 2nd nuts, but they'll call you down with the 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]