KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

POKERSTARS GAME #10370093196: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2007/06/10 - 17:02:45 (ET)
Table 'Palinurus IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: supernova9 ($2000 in chips)
Seat 2: kurosh ($848 in chips)
Seat 3: redargoe ($2288 in chips)
Seat 5: CrAbLaR ($2373 in chips)
redargoe: posts small blind $10
CrAbLaR: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrAbLaR [Kd Jd]
supernova9: raises $40 to $60
kurosh: folds
redargoe: folds
CrAbLaR: calls $40
*** FLOP *** [Qs 9h 3c]
CrAbLaR: checks
supernova9: bets $100
CrAbLaR: raises $200 to $300
supernova9: calls $200
*** TURN *** [Qs 9h 3c] [Kh]
CrAbLaR: checks
supernova9: bets $500

Ansky is a very good reg, pretty aggro and incredibly stubborn, but I don't think he ever bets the turn here with a lone pair...can I just dump it? If I call, am I always calling riv?

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

maybe he has K3? wouldn't that be sweet irony.

Post deleted by Mat Sklansky
 

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

this is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo flow dependent

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

flop + turn seems to indicate that you are beat, unless he's got your hand

edit: or KT

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

he's prolly checkin behind the turn with KJ or KT

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

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this is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo flow dependent

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Are any close decisions not flow or player dependent?

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

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this is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo flow dependent

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Are any close decisions not flow or player dependent?

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Say you have one of these 'it depends' moments ( You feel dude is likely to be making a move etc)

Is there anyway to analyze it after the fact or is just a matter of being right or wrong THAT time?

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

why'd you pussy out on the turn crablarrrrrrrrr?

Re: KJ with Ansky 10/20
 

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this is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo flow dependent

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Are any close decisions not flow or player dependent?

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Say you have one of these 'it depends' moments ( You feel dude is likely to be making a move etc)

Is there anyway to analyze it after the fact or is just a matter of being right or wrong THAT time?

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First of all, of course there are decisions that are not flow or player dependent. I mean, some are so clear cut that it would take ridiculous conditions to change the "correct" or "best" answer.

Of course you can analyze the hand afterwards. Sometimes, after looking at all the factors, you decide "this factor was stronger and I didn't make it contribute to my decision as much as it should have." Other times, you say "well, I still like my play, and I'm actually not sure how much I should have factored this in."

However, in almost all cases you will know the meta at the moment better at the exact time of the decisions. Hence, I could say that I would CF this vs Ansky sometimes, or CC the turn and CF the river sometimes, or lead-call the turn, or anything, based upon how I think he will react based on the hands in the immediate past.

I can definitely see a dynamic where I bet the turn for value and call a shove; or bet the turn for value and shove the river for value. I just don't think that metagame exists between these two.