With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

Early in the Party 500k. I have no reads. All stacks are around 5000. UTG+1 opens to 170 (30/60), next to act calls, and I raise to 500 in middle position with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Remember I have the king of clubs). Folds around to them they both call.

Flop: (1500 ish) A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Checks to me I bet 1000. UTG folds, next guy calls.

Turn (3500 ish) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] , he checks, I check behind.

River (still 3500 ish) offsuit Q. He bets 2000. I fold.

My thoughts on the hand to come... In the mean time, discuss!

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

how much do you have left if you call and lose?

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

Do I have to do the trivially simple arithmetic involved as well?

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

I don't like the check behind on the turn at all.

Fire another bet, and check behind on the river if you don't hit your flush.

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

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I don't like the check behind on the turn at all.

Fire another bet, and check behind on the river if you don't hit your flush.

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the check behind will certainly induce a river bluff from a lot of people

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

I haven't been playing the larger buyin tourneys that much, but I would certainly think that by not betting the turn, you invite the guy to either take a shot at you with nothing, or to attempt what he would think is a value bet with most med-high Pocket Pairs, a worse A or a Q if he hit that. by betting the turn, can't you better decide what he has. It appears that by his cold call, then 2 more calls you deduce he somehow beats TPTK, and that is just not a deduction I could make, especially not readless.

I am looking forward to your thoughts on the hand.

C-Dog

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

i think i'm pushing the turn. and if you check behind, i think you ahve to call the river bet.

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

Here, perhaps this will stimulate discussion.

The most obvious range for the villain on the turn is:

Either, an ace with a worse kicker, a flush/set/ 2 pair.

Given the stack sizes, the fact that I have the king of clubs, and the fact that I'm in position, define the best way to maximize against those hands.

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

I agree with ZBTHorton's / shag's comments - bet the turn. If you don't bet the turn - then call the river.

Re: With deep stacks, I always fold top pair!
 

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you invite the guy to either take a shot at you with nothing

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How would he find his way to the river with "nothing?"