Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

Relevant history: I post CO, flop a wheel w/ nut flush draw, wheel card gets counterfeited on river and I get 1/4'd when was in excellent position to scoop. An orbit later I flopped the nut flush in a 3-way pot and we capped the flop, one bet on the turn, and I called a board pairing donk-bet on the river, player behind me raised, original bettor 3-bets, I muck.

Stuck 21 BB's in 3 orbits. Maybe tilting a little. Don't know if anyone suspects it.

I limp UTG+1 Ax2x5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], CO raises, BB calls, I call.

Flop
3-4-K one [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, i bet, CO raises, BB folds, I 3-bet, CO calls.

Turn
Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet, CO raises, I 3-bet, he calls

River

Qx

I'll give the results later.

Who does what on the river? Everything else is pretty standard for me. Villain was playing 2 tables of 25/50 NLHE when he was on this table, have never played w/ him before.

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

Hi Tx,

Bet the river and call a raise ('cause the pot's too big to fold). Players can raise the turn with any 2 pair, and sometimes with just a K, and they'll talk themselves into calling almost always on the river, especially given a maybe-tilting opponent. So many people jam big low-wraps on the turn, so he doesn't HAVE to put you on a flush or a boat on the river.

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

I can't see bet/call being right. You have A high right? You don't even beat a bluff do you?

In this spot since the pot is so big I like bet/fold or check/raise. If you bet you might get called by some really random hand that beats you but if you c/r you might get the same random hand to lay down.

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

I like bet-fold best, followed distantly by check-fold. Getting 11:1 i like trying to get hands like A2JT,A23x,A24x,A25x,A266,A234 or maybe A56, etc to fold by betting. but given how he's played it this seems like he's got 33,44,K3,AA,A2JJ etc pretty often so you're going to get looked up alot. problem with check-raising is that most of the hands you want to fold will take free showdowns while most of the hands he'll bet he'll call with imho and you invest 2 bets so it needs to work 2x as often to be better option.

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

where was this game going...

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

I voted bet.

I think gergery says it best. I think you are beaten here. A bet gives you your last realistic shot at winning the pot. If he bets back at you, it's time to give it up - after a nice long pause to dissuade him from thinking you tried to steal with Ace high of course.

I can see the check-fold move, and don't blame players for making it, I just hate to give up the pot without a fight.

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

"but given how he's played it this seems like he's got 33,44,K3,AA,A2JJ etc pretty often so you're going to get looked up alot"

I don't play this high, but to me it smells like one of two things...AA or Ah2hxx (maybe with a counterfeit protection with a 5, MAYBE 6)...The way the hand plays out there's no way he's not looking you up with AA (I'd be shocked if he would muck that here), especially if you are stuck and being viewed as "tilted"...He could definitely look you up with a lot less than AA in this place if that was the case, I voted for check-fold...

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

I challenge anybody who voted check-call to defend their answer. We have A6 high here.

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

If bet/call a raise is correct, I will take back all my previous criticism of cero_z

However, there are very few opponents I know who would
bluff-raise this river on this board in the games I play,
perhaps the 50/100 plays that much different from 10/20,
but calling with nothing just cause the pot is big is
still just calling with nothing.

Re: Fun hand 50/100 LO8
 

I agree with Greg on bet/fold. Bet/call seems wrong -- even considering the size of the pot -- unless it's worth the $100 to see his cards, because you probably don't even beat a bluff.