river vb? (warning: thin)
 

both villains are donkish. they play too many hands preflop and play them somewhat poorly postflop.

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Limit Holdem Ring game
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Pre-flop: (3 players) hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>

any value to be squeezed out with this bet?

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

Against two weak players I might bet/fold this since I'm often surprised how often they call with their busted K-high flushdraw or other craphands and a weaker queen is calling this for sure. If they really play poor postflop I can't see them bluffraise this river and I think we can safely fold to a raise.

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

Seems like an easy bet. Unless you have a better reason that what you have allready said about them you can fold to a raise every time. I am sure you will get called by worse Qs, 8s and random PPs enough.

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

I don't think you can safely fold to a raise. LAG's will bluff raise those cards more frequently than they should. It all depends on the read and Hero's read isn't very specific. Generally, I will bet this against everyone and have a plan for I'm doing when it's raised.

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

bet it

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

There are no worse Q's now (QQ99A). Check behind river.

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

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There are no worse Q's now (QQ99A). Check behind river.

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Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

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There are no worse Q's now (QQ99A). Check behind river.

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Depending on how loose they peel flop, the A is not helping a lot of hands. But with that 9 river Hero can only hope to get value from 8's. Of course you will see silly calls with K high, but Hero will also be c/r'ed a fair amount.

I really doubt there is any value here and claiming its an easy value bet is super optimistic.

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

So when they call the flop their most likely holdings are an over card A or K, a pair of Q's 8's or 9's, a diamond draw, or straight draw. After the turn you're behind to a A. After the river you're behind to a 9. The diamond and straight draws are folding to a bet. A lone K would probably already have folded. You're usually only getting value from an 8 or a worse Q, and an 8 might even fold. I really don't think you beat a caller &gt;50% of the time. I'm checking through for sure.

Re: river vb? (warning: thin)
 

So you're trying to get value from an 8? Just check behind.