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dirtylobster 04-13-2007 04:01 AM

NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
No reads on villain, just sat down. Would you raise this river?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
3 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

SB: $29.75
<u>BB: $50</u>
<u>Hero (BTN): $83.60</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.25

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($3.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.85</font>, BB calls $2.85

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($9.20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> ($9.20) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $9.45</font>, Hero ?

Wow. I don't know how many times I've almost posted hands here. It's obvious I should raise. I induced that bet from an ace by checking the turn and now I should follow up... I guess I was scared of a higher flush but they donkbet 80% of the time on this river, hoping you have the ace.

Who else does this? Converts hands, looks them through and never posts them because you find the answer to your question yourself?

rakes.a.beach 04-13-2007 04:03 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
I'd bet the turn here.

As played, I just call river unless villian is calling station. And since you have no read, I'd call.

ShipitFMA 04-13-2007 04:28 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
I don't think villan ever has a boat here, the only hand that would be beating us is QJc and Q10c..Probably JUST a call is in order here

VPIP100 04-13-2007 04:31 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
I would raise turn.

As played, just call.

Joe_Franco 04-13-2007 04:34 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
I think you just make the call like you said you induced the bet so you have to call it.

dirtylobster 04-13-2007 05:52 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
I bet the turn 90% of the time here but my plan was specifically to let him think his ace/whatever is good and induce a bet on the river. I'm still confident that I would play the turn the same way in that exact situation again, against an unknown.

For the record, I just called the river and he mucked A5o.

JadeRedstone 04-13-2007 06:12 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
I bet the turn. You are not representing the flush. I might make the turn bet small to make it look like I'm afraid from the flush.

As played I only call the river. In these levels a naked A might reraise AI and I really don't want to call that.

TheRenaissance 04-13-2007 06:17 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
Not betting turn with the non nut flush is really bad.
Now you HAVE to raise turn as you have underrep'd your hand.

mrt801 04-13-2007 07:06 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
I agree with JadeRedstone about betting this turn. You are not representing the flush, so I think you're missing value on the turn here. As played the potbet of Villain shows he probably has the ace (did he?). I think a raise in this spot is appropriate, since you're not representing a flush or anything. (When villains is some donk you might even push it allin, he might call with ace-rag)

I wouldn't be scared for a higher flush in this spot, especially 3-handed. Also, if he has a higher flush, would he check 2 streets with the (second) nut flush draw and with the made flush? I dont think so ..
does anyone agree with this?

TheRenaissance 04-13-2007 07:09 AM

Re: NL50 - Flush on paired board
 
[ QUOTE ]
Not betting turn with the non nut flush is really bad.
Now you HAVE to raise turn as you have underrep'd your hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Arrr, I mean you have to raise river of course.


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