Ugly flop
 

Villain is running like 28/23/4 over a smallish sample. This is the 2nd orbit in a row I've rr'd his co open, he folded the first time.

I'm running ~22/18 and have been running pretty bad against a 70/1/1 super fish that I've been isolating alot. Most every hand has gone he limps, I raise, he calls, I cb flop, he calls checked down an he wins w/ some raggy pair or A high or we check down from the flop and the same thing happens. So my image prolly isn't great.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $216.05
BB: $199.40
UTG: $530.45
<font color="black">Villain (CO): $242</font>
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $194.60</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Villain raises to $8</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, 2 folds, Villain calls $16

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($48) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Villain checks,

Eh?

Paul

Re: Ugly flop
 

Ugh, I absolutely hate this spot Paul. I think it may be weak, but I check behind here and wait for a safe turn to bet at the pot. You obv. want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible, and even a min-check raise by villain is enough to get you out of the hand.

I suck at these spots though, so I'd also like to hear others' thoughts.

Re: Ugly flop
 

I know a site where an internet pro suggests to bet something like $16 in these spots. But I'm not sure whether it's a really good advice. I didn't try it by myself for a long time.

Re: Ugly flop
 

Your image is bad, you've just rr him, you have an overpair, and nobody ever flops flushes/straights in rr pots. I'm betting $36 and calling a shove for the reasons mentioned.

Re: Ugly flop
 

I tend to agree with Novles. If we had a good image I could see why we may want to consider checking the turn (I'm not saying I would do so, but I'd think about it). However, our image being what it is, IMO requires us to value bet this flop and most likely get it all-in if need be.

Re: Ugly flop
 

i usually bet here and call down unless a diamond, J, T, or 6 comes off. This is a good spot for villain to put you to the test with like TxTd or something. I don't think he can have a straight, and there aren't many flushes. In other words, imo his range is heavily tilted towards pairs, esp worse overpairs.

Re: Ugly flop
 

what about checkign flop and getting it in on a blank turn? (or betting a blank turn if checked to). higher equity, no real loss if the 4th [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits, etc.

Re: Ugly flop
 

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what about checkign flop and getting it in on a blank turn? (or betting a blank turn if checked to). higher equity, no real loss if the 4th [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits, etc.

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I like this. I think were gonna get c/r a ton here which sucks balls for our hand

Re: Ugly flop
 

Neither b/f:ing or b/c:ing particularly appealed to me so I checked. Not great reasoning but there you go.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $216.05
BB: $199.40
UTG: $530.45
<font color="black">Villain (CO): $242</font>
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $194.60</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Villain raises to $8</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, 2 folds, Villain calls $16

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($48) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Villain checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($48) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Villain bets $31</font>,

Now what?

Paul

Re: Ugly flop
 

$88