QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

SB is loose but not agressive at all postflop. UTG is a calling station.

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero ???

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

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SB is loose but not agressive at all postflop.

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Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

Fold. Not even top pair and it'll cost 2 BB to see the river.

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

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UTG is a calling station.

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Looks to me like YOU are UTG sir. You mean UTG+1 I think.

I'd call it down and be shown Ace Rag, or throw it away and save my money. A mathematician may tell us the EV difference between the two against an unknown but I'm guessing its not much.

When an otherwise passive player donks in a spot like this, I'm 90% letting my queens go. I need a clear read that the player could be getting fancy here to continue in this hand.

Maybe I've just seen Ace/Rag from the blinds too many times.

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

*grunch*

Fold. You're not gonna show down a winner here very often. I always hate to see the lovely ladies go, but when the morning sun's streamin' in the window you gotta wake up and smell the coffee. Whatever that means.

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

Smells like 2 pair or potentially even a set of 5s. Let the calling station (who probably has a weak ace anyway) pay to find out.

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

[ QUOTE ]
SB is loose but not agressive at all postflop. UTG is a calling station.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero ???

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I don't know if I could fold QQ to a turn donk on a wet board. A c/r from a passive player, sure. You're getting 6:1, do you think you're good here a little less than 20% of the time? Have you seen this player donk the turn with at least top pair before? Does he get tricky with draws?

Against an unknown, I probably just call down two bets and take note. If the pot was smaller, and the board was dry I could fold. But the board is very wet, its a large pot, and its going to get larger with UTG padding. You can't raise and charge for a draw because you have minimal reads on SB, no one's folding, and there's a high card on the board, so I think I call down.

I think maybe SB had a weak A and thought you were on a draw and didn't want to give you a free card.

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

any move from super passive players on a board like this gives me a reason to throw second pair away here.

pitch it and let the calling station pay to get information for you. lol meatshields.

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

(Grunch)Based on your assertion that the SB is not agressive "at all" his turn bet probably means a monster- either slowplaying a hand that connected with the ace, or a made straight with the 5. Either way, clear fold.

Re: QQ vs. Donk bet on turn
 

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I don't know if I could fold QQ to a turn donk on a wet board. A c/r from a passive player, sure. You're getting 6:1, do you think you're good here a little less than 20% of the time? Have you seen this player donk the turn with at least top pair before? Does he get tricky with draws?

Against an unknown, I probably just call down two bets and take note. If the pot was smaller, and the board was dry I could fold. But the board is very wet, its a large pot, and its going to get larger with UTG padding. You can't raise and charge for a draw because you have minimal reads on SB, no one's folding, and there's a high card on the board, so I think I call down.

I think maybe SB had a weak A and thought you were on a draw and didn't want to give you a free card.

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bung ... you are not getting 6:1 - if you are making this call you MUST call the river ... also note: we have one extra player (he pads the pot more, but also makes it a lot less likely that you have any chance of being in front)