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mongidig 03-21-2007 03:05 PM

How do you proceed here?
 
20-40 live 9 handed. I have tight image

Two loose players limp in EP, I raise with QdQs in cutoff, The SB(LAG) calls, BB(Somewhat tight but a little loose and very aggressive post flop) reraises(I suspect AJs or better,AKoffsuit, Big pocket pair). two EPs call, I cap and all call.

The flop: 9hThKs

It is checked to me and I bet(I am pretty sure I should have just checked here given the size of the pot and the very good chance that my hand was not good and I was being set up for a check raise), SB check-raises, BB reraises, it is folded to me. What should be my play?

I am pretty sure one or both of these players has me beat at the moment.

rafiki 03-21-2007 03:15 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
fold

jba 03-21-2007 03:17 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
call. pot is too big to fold just yet. worse case you're getting 29-3, best case 27-2. my advice would be to turn a jack.

rafiki 03-21-2007 03:18 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
only because a super quick scan is telling me you don't have 4 outs, you have 3 or less. And judging the action, it's maybe 2 for a split pot. Anyone else find an answer other then fold ?

Godson 03-21-2007 03:20 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
Call. Pot odds sucka. Worst case scenario obv. is that one of these nits has AhQh.

jba 03-21-2007 03:28 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
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only because a super quick scan is telling me you don't have 4 outs, you have 3 or less. And judging the action, it's maybe 2 for a split pot. Anyone else find an answer other then fold ?

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imo you have > 4. it would not shock me if we could win with a queen.

rafiki 03-21-2007 03:34 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
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Call. Pot odds sucka. Worst case scenario obv. is that one of these nits has AhQh.

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Well I think worse case scenario is a made straight. I think if heads up you knew someone had AhQh, you wouldn't be THAT unhappy.

rafiki 03-21-2007 03:35 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
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only because a super quick scan is telling me you don't have 4 outs, you have 3 or less. And judging the action, it's maybe 2 for a split pot. Anyone else find an answer other then fold ?

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imo you have > 4. it would not shock me if we could win with a queen.

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I think that's incorrect. I think you can't ever count the Q as an out here, and you'd be wrong counting the Jh as well. Using such optimistic out calculations is going to get you into trouble.

AlexSem 03-21-2007 03:39 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
fold.

anyone who says otherwise please come play at my table

rafiki 03-21-2007 03:39 PM

Re: How do you proceed here?
 
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fold.

anyone who says otherwise please come play at my table

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