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hemstock 03-16-2007 09:43 PM

Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($58.25)
UTG ($106.15)
MP ($271.55)
Hero ($127.75)
SB ($205.22)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, SB (poster) calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, SB folds, UTG calls $11.

Turn: ($38) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($38) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG calls $106.15 (All-In) ?

Unknown villain

ACChan 03-16-2007 10:16 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
pretty weird line Villain took here!
its a WA/WB situation i think.
cant put him on 68 here.
could be a missed combo-draw,
why this big overbet @ the river?

personaly i'd call i think to see what he really had! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

any reads history stats or something for Villain.

Zaghomat 03-16-2007 10:19 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
He's rarely value shoving a worse hand. You probably only beat a bluff here, I would fold.

ThaHero 03-16-2007 10:23 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
I like a call here. Does he call 67 or 9J preflop UTG? I guess we don't know. Those and maaaaybe QT are the only hands I'm worried about. Seems like he is aggressive but would play a set or even an OESD differently on the flop or turn.

I guess I would cry and call but AI on the river is the nuts sometimes. To me his line just doesn't make sense, that's why I would call.

Panthro 03-16-2007 10:30 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
somebody missed their turn c/r

wrschultz 03-16-2007 10:37 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
FWIW, I probably call, but its probably -EV anyway... I also probably bet the turn because I'm a donkey.

AndyP 03-16-2007 10:57 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
insta-fold. bottom two is not good here, even on party.

Jay Riall 03-16-2007 10:59 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
Instafold.

ACG2x 03-16-2007 11:15 PM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
I'm confused as hell as to what villan actually is holding in this spot. Missed FD and total air? Being a nit with A-Q?

This is one where in absence of any specific reads I'd lay it down. I'm convinced though we're either WAY ahead or WAY behind which are the only two reasons villan would take such a line.

To me though bottom two isn't enough ammo to make this call.

TeddyKGB69 03-17-2007 01:12 AM

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 
how can you guys call here..Firstly you are getting awful pot odds, secondly he massivly overbet the river. I think that we are behind here for sure, and 9/10 our 2pair is no good. Pushing all in like that we just cant call him, what a wierd line though.


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