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quarkncover 02-11-2006 06:33 PM

Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($94.65)
UTG ($92.75)
MP ($84.15)
Hero ($50)
SB ($45.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB (poster) calls $2.25, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6.66</font>, SB folds, BB calls $6.66, UTG folds.

Turn: ($23.32) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($23.32) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $15</font>, Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Ness 02-11-2006 06:36 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
quark-

whats with the flop bet?

any reads?

I would probably fold.

bitter&twisted 02-11-2006 06:39 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
I hate being in this position. I prefer a turn b/f.

quarkncover 02-11-2006 06:41 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
Ness-

Villain is pretty bad from what I have observed. I have only been at the table maybe 3 orbits. I am assuming villain is an idiot [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I have not won a pot yet, my cont. bets have been picked off a few times.

My flop bet was designed to induce a bluff, though really wtf was I thinking?!

Ness 02-11-2006 06:44 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Ness-

Villain is pretty bad from what I have observed. I have only been at the table maybe 3 orbits. I am assuming villain is an idiot [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I have not won a pot yet, my cont. bets have been picked off a few times.

My flop bet was designed to induce a bluff, though really wtf was I thinking?!

[/ QUOTE ]

i am not sure if the fact that he is a total idiot makes me want to call or even more sure i should fold. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

if i haven't seen him make any similar bluffs or betting when scared cards hit a lot, i fold.

quarkncover 02-11-2006 06:50 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
In retrospect I think my play on this hand may have been influenced by Daft Punk. I was listening to Daft Punk at the time. Daft Punk rules!

wooly_chicken 02-11-2006 06:54 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
I think you have to call this bet if you're going to check turn. Your line is weak and there is no reason villian should think you have a hand. After he checks to you on turn, I think you're much better off betting and checking behind on river if he calls turn.

bitter&twisted 02-11-2006 07:02 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
[ QUOTE ]
In retrospect I think my play on this hand may have been influenced by Daft Punk

[/ QUOTE ]

Played backwards = cchheeck thhe tuuuurn, cheeeck thhhe tuuurrn

Garon 02-11-2006 08:50 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 

Hi Quarkncover,

I have never played 6-max so can't give any help on the strategy, but I will make a general comment ...

If you induce a bluff, you HAVE to call! Better to not induce a bluff at all than to induce one and fold. I think you know this from your post subject. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Garon

orange 02-11-2006 09:02 PM

Re: Inducing a bluff, have to call right?
 
Flop bet is a bit small IMO. On such a draw heavy board/multiple opponents, I like to bet bigger to protect my hand.

Turn is an interesting hand imo. Yes, you check to induce a bluff, but why do you think opponent is bluffing? Most cards possible could have helped him on both the turn and river.

Also, if you are inducing a bluff, what are you beating? I really don't think villan is bluffing here, and merely value betting. Did you also check for pot control? I fold here and find a better spot. Reads would help, even though at times they are hard to come by.


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