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mntndrew 02-01-2007 10:30 PM

Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
live 3/6

Hero dealt 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in MP1.

UTG, UTG+1 call, Hero calls, BN calls, SB raises, BB and limpers all call.

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB bets, BB, UTG fold, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, BN calls, SB calls.

Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, BN calls, SB calls.

River: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB, UTG+1 check, Hero bets, BN, SB fold, UTG+1 calls.

I really just need to 3-bet the flop, don't I? As played on the flop, do you go for overcalls not wanting to blow straight drawers out of the pot with a monster and the bet coming from my right, or am I still playing too cute for my own good?

SB raises more than your average 3/6 player pre-flop but shuts down quickly to any aggression (goes into calldown mode immediately to a flop raise on a completely innocuous board with KK). UTG+1 seems to raise thin on the flop a lot.

Grease 02-01-2007 10:32 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
Bet and raise at every opportunity, especially after you fill up.

There are a ton of draws on the board, and people may have a straight, so you'll get lots of action.

Don't hesitate to ram-and-jam on the flop in smallish pots when you have a monster, especially live. They'll call you down no matter what.

No worries, no one ever said poker was easy (cause it's damn hard.)

Grease 02-01-2007 10:33 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
I didn't realize the SB raised PF.

Definitely go nuts on the flop. Get giddy. Flex your muscles before you start heaving chips into the middle as quickly as you can. You're (probably) going to win a monster pot.

jjshabado 02-01-2007 11:00 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
I think the biggest mistake was not raising the turn. Its likely that SB likes their hand and won't want to let it go and UTG+1 might even be nice and 3-bet you so you can cap it.

I guess you should 3-bet the flop, but I don't think your call there was as bad as not raising the turn. I could easily be wrong though, I haven't thought it all the way through.

Edit: You didn't play it badly, I think you just missed a couple of bets. Something we all do.

anotherFliplost 02-02-2007 09:24 AM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
With a set on a 3-straight board, you should raise at every opportunity, especially after making the boat. Nobody live is folding an A, 2, 6, 5, or overpair to any number of bets on the flop. You might lose the A's on the turn, but the 2's and 6's are in for the long haul.

mmctrab 02-02-2007 12:35 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
[ QUOTE ]
live 3/6

Hero dealt 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in MP1.

UTG, UTG+1 call, Hero calls, BN calls, SB raises, BB and limpers all call.

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB bets, BB, UTG fold, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, BN calls, SB calls.

Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, BN calls, SB calls.

River: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB, UTG+1 check, Hero bets, BN, SB fold, UTG+1 calls.

I really just need to 3-bet the flop, don't I? As played on the flop, do you go for overcalls not wanting to blow straight drawers out of the pot with a monster and the bet coming from my right, or am I still playing too cute for my own good?

SB raises more than your average 3/6 player pre-flop but shuts down quickly to any aggression (goes into calldown mode immediately to a flop raise on a completely innocuous board with KK). UTG+1 seems to raise thin on the flop a lot.

[/ QUOTE ]

*grunch*

3 bet the flop and the turn. The river's fine.

threads13 02-02-2007 12:49 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
How about raising?

Really, this is a pretty easy raise on the flop. You have a set, the board is pretty connected, and the pot is pretty large(15SB to you). You have a strong hand, so raise.

Given that you didn't raise the flop, raise the turn.

Really what happened is you slowplayed in a large pot. That is pretty silly.

car ramrod 02-02-2007 12:53 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
I think the board is coordinated enough to raise the flop. If not, I would surely raise the turn.

mntndrew 02-02-2007 01:25 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
Yup, that's what I thought. Too scared of losing calling station customers when I should be pushing.

DTsee 02-02-2007 02:22 PM

Re: Please berate my fishy play and suggest a better line!
 
Raise flop, Raise Turn. It's f'ing 3/6 for god sakes. Don't get cute, bet and win thier money.


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